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Clay and horse manure ball ammo??
May 23rd, 2012, 4:21pm
 
When i had just discovered the internet and was still fumbling my way around like a one armed teen on his first bra, I tripped over this site about slinging.
 
It gave some facts and very limited info on the sling. But, being ever curious, i ventured on and found this:
 
A recipe for clay (ball) pellets. The way the Sumerians and Egyptians made them.
 
1). 3 to 4 parts river clay.
2). 1 part horse, camel or cow dung.
3). Mix the 4 parts together until the dung and clay are indistinguishable (homoginized)
From what i gathered, the clay and manure was placed in a container and trampled by foot until it was indistinguishable and the right consistency. Manure was added to harden the clay and make it more "brick-like" during firing.
4). Firing was accomplished by rolling and drying the pellets on gaurd duty. When they were sun-dried, these pellets would be placed in the bottom of the watch fire for the night shift gaurds, who would keep the fire going all night.
 
In the morning, the cooled down pellets would be removed and placed in containers for later use.
 
I remember the site saying that pellets, as these, had been excavated at various sites.
 
Some of these pellets were the size of tennis balls and were, aparrently thrown, using the 2-handed method. Much like an olympic hammer thrower would today.
 
Anyone know of this or have any info on clay and manure pellets.
 
The reason i ask is that i will go on leave soon and intend to make such pellets.
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Re: Clay and horse manure ball ammo??
Reply #1 - May 23rd, 2012, 5:39pm
 
It sounds very interesting.  Let us know how you make out and don't forget to wash your hands.
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Reply #2 - May 24th, 2012, 8:39am
 
Sounds like a recipe for bricks, I think it'll work pretty well for sling ammo.
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Re: Clay and horse manure ball ammo??
Reply #3 - May 24th, 2012, 10:48am
 
It sounds like it should work, the manure is there to prevent the clay from cracking while it dries, it won't add any strength to the finished product because the vegetable fibers will burn out during firing.  This is a guess, I think one of the reasons they made them so large is they will be lighter than a pure clay ball of the same size.  Also, it will take a lot longer than just one day to dry them, even if you sit them in the sun.  And if you set them in the sun, if you don't roll and turn them, they will dry unevenly and they will crack.
 
I have to make my projectiles from clay as there are very few native rocks in my area.  While you are making these, make up some biconals, if you throw them so they spiral, they will go about 20% further than a round ball.  If they tumble end over end,  they will go about 25% less.
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Reply #4 - May 24th, 2012, 3:10pm
 
I'm new here so I'm a little curious.  
 
Anyone know whether the manure was dry or wet (freshly extruded) when it was mixed? Was manure used because of specific (special) properties of manure, especially if it was used when it was fresh or because straw materials may have been scarce?  
 
I don't know about clay used to make sling stones in this fashion but I do know adobe. Not the computer program, the bricks used to build homes and the like. I know adobe because I grew up making and using them and still do. My dad and I make and use clay ovens or "horno". When making your bricks you need chopped up straw as a binder. We chop it by hand with a machete.  
 
I can see where dried manure would be a readily available source of chopped straw especially in arid regions. You could cut out a whole process when making bricks and if making small items such as sling stones the finely "processed" straw would probably be ideal. I've toyed with using very dry cow manure for making brick but C'mon, do you really want to eat pies, corn or bread baked in an oven made partially of cow poo? I don't think so.
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Reply #5 - May 24th, 2012, 11:12pm
 
I was going to post something about possibly adding straw to the clay as the ancient egyptians did with bricks. But Pikaru beat me to it and did a much better job than I could have. I think you might really be on to something there. I know that you can burn several types of manure because there is still undigested plant fiber. That makes a lot of sense to me.
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2012, 1:19am
 
The micro fibers in horse,cow etc manure help binding the clay,as you guys have said.Like metal bars in concrete. But it's not a filthy material like y'all think.It's pretty much chopped vegetable fiber. And if you make an oven using it,it will burn out on the inside at least and will not affect your bread anyhow.Human manure is waaaaay more nasty,because the things humans eat.
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Reply #7 - May 25th, 2012, 2:10am
 
I don't disagree with you jlasud, not one bit but one person's perception is often your reality. As an example, remember that if you're ever in a disagreement with your significant other. At times their perception of you, what they thought you meant when you said something or what they perceive as a look or attitude that you truly do or do not have; while you may disagree with their diagnosis, their perception of you at that time IS your reality and it's that perception you have to deal with first. If I baked bread in my cow chip adobe oven, no one in my family would eat it no matter what facts I brought to the table.  Smiley
 
Now for the topic at hand, I've used cow chips several times in a camp fire but for some reason (perception), I can't seem make myself want to cook over that fire and will save the chips for last, after dinner.  
 
I've been collecting clay and toying with the idea of adding finely chopped plant material as a binder. I believe cow chips would work good but rabbit I think would work better. Smaller bits.
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Reply #8 - May 25th, 2012, 7:45am
 
be interested to see the original article greenman.  
 
Any idea where you read it ?
 
The idea that the guards were regular making their own sling ammo would be an indication that the sling enjoyed a much greater usage and popularity in egypt than - I suspect - most of us had realised.  
 
And rather you than me on making your own  Wink
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Reply #9 - May 26th, 2012, 8:12pm
 
Had to be cheaper than arrows, easier to make and store, don't have to worry about bugs and mice and can you imiagine the punishment detail?  
 
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Reply #10 - May 27th, 2012, 1:26am
 
I recently picked up some clay at a pottery shop and on friday made up 32 sling stones. They're drying out on the porch now but because of this recent post I made a few using chopped up sisal as a binder just to see how they'd come out. I plan on getting my stones fired at the pottery shop once they're dry enough to do so. I won't fire my fiber stones at the pottery shop because the temperatures are so high but will toast them on the BBQ grill just to harden them up a bit. Now when I trade slings I will include one of my clay stones, replacing the river rock I've been sending. I think, when gifting a sling you should include a stone for good luck just like you would include money if you gifted a purse or wallet.
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Reply #11 - May 27th, 2012, 3:02pm
 
Sorry C_A. I read this article years ago when i started slinging and knew nothing about the internet. I have no idea how to find it. I remember it because it made sense to me at the time.
 
I love the idea of adding chopped up straw. I have a small hammermill for my garden and earthworm projects that i use to chop up organic material. I also collected about 50  large bags of horse manure with straw bedding in it.
 
I think i will dry some of the horse manure and straw and then mill it to a 1mm size. When i add it to the riverclay and roll pellets, it should yield some interesting results.
 
I am going to make slightly bigger than golf bal size pellets, dry them in the shade, away from the sun, and then fire them in my firepit over night.
 
I will take pics of the whole process and let you know when i have made them successfully. I'm really looking forward to it.
 
Pikaru mentioned that he burns them for fire. I also make biofuel bricks for our fireplace in winter.
 
I have made brick sized ones and toilet paper roll sized ones using 90% horse manure and 10% paper. They burn like a red hot charcoal briquette. No smell at all.
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