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Masiakasaurus

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Re: Climate change: "Hug the Monster"
Reply #90 - Jul 16^th, 2012, 12:02pm

Quote from Bikewer on Jul 16^th, 2012, 11:19am:

Bird strikes? Inconsequential. A tiny percentage, so tiny as to be insignificant.
It's grasping at straws.

I wouldn't call 20,000 bird deaths per year in the US entirely inconsequential. It is a low figure now, but if we plan to expand wind farming that number will most definitely grow into a major problem. I'm not saying that the deaths far outweigh the need for electricity, but it needs to be solved before true large scale implementation of wind farms. Assuming 900% growth in wind farms (a conservative estimate, as wind farms are currently a very small part of the US's energy production) would more than double the number of birds killed each year for power generation and that doesn't include any projected increase in the number of power lines in the US or an increase in the turbine density of wind farms. http://energyinformative.org/wind-energy-pros-and-cons/

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Re: Climate change: "Hug the Monster"
Reply #91 - Jul 16^th, 2012, 1:12pm

Very interesting discussion,with many valid points.
IMO:
We are causing great harm to the planet,and to the life on it,greater than ever before.

We consume MUCH more than we ever had.

There are MUCH more humans than there ever were before.

Many will close their eyes or do seriously wrong things for money.

Mother Earth can't sustain us living like this for too long.

Solution:total reform of how we live,what we do,how we do it,how we see life,and what are our needs,how much we consume,especially in a consumer society in the "developed world".
I think technology is reaching it's top at least in the direction it's going.Not because humans lack inventiveness or the theoretical possibilities,but because of limited resourses. Maybe there are "magical technological" solutions with very little impact ,that the Earth can handle without causing imbalance in it's fine equilibrium.
But I doubt it. I think the earth wasn't designed ,or isn't (if you prefer more) able to sustain the amount of material need,that humans have today.When we die,what do we carry?
Do we NEED all this sh1t?
Do we really want to face the consequencies of all this?
Do we want our children to live in a world we are creating,and leading to?
Are we ready to entirely change our ways,or we choose to ignore everything?

Respect existance or expect resistance!

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Re: Climate change: "Hug the Monster"
Reply #93 - Jul 22^nd, 2012, 1:31pm

Quote from Rat Man on Jul 15^th, 2012, 5:06pm:

Did we cause global warming? No, it would be happening without us. But we've greatly accelerated it and are continuing to do so. What can be done, Morphy? The sun shines all over the planet. There are many ways to harness its energy. Besides solar panels there are currently solar power stations. Spain is into them big time. They work great. You take a field of parabolic mirrors and aim them to reflect the sun at a tank filled with either water or oil. http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~shih/succeed-2000/roadmap/solar%20power%20plant.htm
Free energy, there for the taking, everywhere.
We could greatly increase the number of wind turbines currently in use. Easy.
Hydroelectric power is always an option. Nukes also produce power without making greenhouse gasses, but of course they have their own set or problems.
Iceland is into geothermal power. It works quite well for them.
This is just off the top of my head.
Everyday across the planet the sun shines, rivers flow, the wind blows, and the earth cooks just a few miles below the surface (in some places much less than that). The technology to use these resources has been with is for over a century. Sadly it's repressed because the oil lobby is all powerful and will remain so until they've caused the end of life as we know it. This is the whole truth, plain and simple.
I mean no one any disrespect, but the stakes are huge here and we're failing miserably.

No disrespect taken RM. And these are all good ideas. I am 100% behind you on this course of action. My serious concern, and I assume this is a concern shared by others here based on what they have written is when laws are put in place destroying the sovereignty of the common man. I wish this was just me running around saying the sky is falling but many of the ideas proposed already would give far too much power to organizations whose real goal is not to help the environment, but to exercise greater degrees of control over mankind and make the heads of such organizations ridiculously wealthy.

I mean no disrespect either, if I have come off that way, please accept my apology.

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..."

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Rat Man Slinging.org Moderator Slinging Rocks! Posts: 9442 Gender:	Re: Climate change: "Hug the Monster" Reply #94 - Jul 22^nd, 2012, 2:07pm No apology necessary, Morphy. I can appreciate what you are saying but then what's the solution? If we do nothing or we've failed our children and grandchildren miserably. Not just failed but condemned them.
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