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Reply #60 - May 2nd, 2012, 10:48am
 
I trust the American justice system more than probably any other system in the world and while people like to use cases like these as bumper sticker campaigns for one cause or another, there's usually more that went on in the background than most people are willing to take the time to find out. If a person was sued or went to jail for allegedly defending themselves, if their defense actions were within the law, then they go home and get their weapon back, period. If anything else happened then there were circumstances that warranted it. A cop can use lethal force on a mentally challenged boy wielding a screwdriver and get paid administrative leave but as a law abiding, tax paying citizen, you better know local rules and case law before you use any lethal force. Most times if you didn't first call police and/or you had a way out, any way out you potentially open yourself up to negative litigation. If you were attacked by someone with a weapon, disarmed the attacker then used the weapon on them, YOU are now in the wrong. You disarmed, neutralized the most hazardous threat then went on the attack instead of walking or running away, you're going to jail.
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Re: What Makes You See Red?
Reply #61 - May 4th, 2012, 7:08pm
 
What makes me see red:  
 
Those who dismiss fact for feeling or for belief.
 
Those who speak disrespectfully while smiling  Wink .  
 
Those who try to speak from a position of authority, knowledge or experience but have neither.
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Reply #62 - May 4th, 2012, 11:55pm
 
Quote from Pikaru on May 2nd, 2012, 10:48am:
I trust the American justice system more than probably any other system in the world and while people like to use cases like these as bumper sticker campaigns for one cause or another, there's usually more that went on in the background than most people are willing to take the time to find out. If a person was sued or went to jail for allegedly defending themselves, if their defense actions were within the law, then they go home and get their weapon back, period. If anything else happened then there were circumstances that warranted it. A cop can use lethal force on a mentally challenged boy wielding a screwdriver and get paid administrative leave but as a law abiding, tax paying citizen, you better know local rules and case law before you use any lethal force. Most times if you didn't first call police and/or you had a way out, any way out you potentially open yourself up to negative litigation. If you were attacked by someone with a weapon, disarmed the attacker then used the weapon on them, YOU are now in the wrong. You disarmed, neutralized the most hazardous threat then went on the attack instead of walking or running away, you're going to jail.

 
As preposterous as this sounds, Pikaru is absolutely right here.  I've told this sad tale before;  I was physically attacked by a prowler in my own front yard and was arrested and charged with aggravated assault because I used a baseball bat to save my own life and probably my daughter's and two female neighbors'.  I was tortured by the legal system for six months and had to put out $1500.00 in legal fees before the charges were finally eventually dropped, mostly because the creep killed himself.  Even if you're completely in the right expect to be treated like a criminal if you use a weapon to protect yourself.  That said, I'd to the exact same thing again.  I had no choice.  To paraphrase Dan, better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
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Reply #63 - May 5th, 2012, 1:17am
 
If you were judged by "the twelve" you'd probably be fine. It's "Judy's little mate" who's the problem here. Aren't laws meant to reflect community standards? Who in the community would consider self defense with a baseball bat as aggravated assault?
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Reply #64 - May 5th, 2012, 1:48am
 
Quote from Pikaru on May 4th, 2012, 7:08pm:
What makes me see red:

Those who dismiss fact for feeling or for belief.

Those who speak disrespectfully while smiling  Wink .  

Those who try to speak from a position of authority, knowledge or experience but have neither.

Ditto.
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Reply #65 - May 5th, 2012, 7:58am
 
Quote from Aussie on May 5th, 2012, 1:17am:
If you were judged by "the twelve" you'd probably be fine. It's "Judy's little mate" who's the problem here. Aren't laws meant to reflect community standards? Who in the community would consider self defense with a baseball bat as aggravated assault?

I think I would have been fine in court.  He was trying to break into the apartments and when I asked him what he was doing he attacked me.  He was big, young, in shape, and I didn't know if he had a gun or what.  I thank God that little bat was sitting handily where it was.  I was bent backwards over my Samurai with him punching me when I found the little bat.  I seriously doubt it would have gotten past the grand jury.   I was still relieved when the nut offed himself.  It saved me a fortune in lawyer fees.  The moral of course is that if you use a weapon, even if you're completely in the right, expect crap from the legal system.
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Reply #66 - May 5th, 2012, 11:38am
 
I would say that men, especially young men, being disrespectful to women sets me off. I was raised as the only-male child by a father who was also the only-male child. This has instilled an intolerance, per se, to men being jerks. Throughout high school, I would often let my acquaintances know when I had had enough with a well-aimed punch (pressure points are lovely things). No, I wasn't a bully, that's just my personality and my friends knew it and were fine with it. Besides, I never hit any one that didn't deserve it.
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