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Apr 13th, 2012, 12:57pm
 
As a newbie to slinging, I'm hoping some of you more "seasoned" folks can shed some light on a question.
 
I see a lot of people focusing on creating ethnic or historic designs and not many people taking advantage of modern materials in their slings.  
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not disparaging the crafting of something beautiful and functional!  I personally have made bows from staves, and hand-forged damascus steel to make my own knives.  I get it.
 
What I'm wondering though, is if it is possible to improve our designs using modern materials?  
 
Is there any great benefit to woven jute over amsteel dyneema?  
 
I see the benefit of knowing how to make cordage and then use that cordage to make a working tool/weapon for survival purposes, but how many of us would realistically be in that kind of situation?
 
Again, not meaning to offend or be inflammatory.  I'm just trying to understand and get some perspective on where people stand with regards to old vs. new.
 
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Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2012, 1:41pm
 
My favorite material for sling cords is hemp.I like it's feel mostly,it's look,it has no stretch but crappy stone wear it quite quickly and sometimes the release knot gets blasted off.Soo as much as i love hemp,i use 3mm synthetic rope similar to paracord quite often to spare my hemp slings. Also braided natural slings have much more control imo because the cords don't twist like a single strand of paracord for ex.  
I also believe in something most would say it doesn't exist or it's jlasud and his crap again Tongue : natural materials respond,communicate  much better with humans than materials altered by men.This relation can only be felt,when you use a sling or loose a wooden arrow after an aluminium one,or steps into a wooden house after a plastic one etc.
I also used the advantage of 2mm synthetic cord for making the longest and most aerodynamic sling that couldn't really be made from natural materials(maybe sinew or horsehair).It is 1.5 meters long (59") and with that i can sling child fist size stones ~170m. I feels like artillery Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Apr 13th, 2012, 2:05pm
 
Some here want and try to build some "compound slings"... They don't use jute Wink
 
Aussie's pouches are 100% synthethic and are recommanded by everyone that had one in hands and seatbelt slings seems ultra easy to do (I managed to get 12 seatbelts... time to start cutting for giveaway).
 
If you have an idea of any new design, not time proved, feel free to try it and to share it with us Smiley
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Reply #3 - Apr 13th, 2012, 2:28pm
 
Welcome, Mike;
  No offense taken.  Though I prefer natural materials such as jute, hemp, and cotton many of the slings I make are from synthetics.  I've made slings with synthetic yarn, nylon, paracord, and polypropylene.  I've tried plastic cord but that didn't come out so well.  Also I have an Aussie pouch sling.  My favorite synthetic material is polypropylene.  The stuff I buy is sheathed like paracord.  3/8" polypropylene is perfect.  It's soft and easy to work with and makes a good looking sling that's just about indestructible.  
    As far as slings made from synthetic materials having an advantage over those made with natural materials, other than durability I haven't noticed any.  
   Though I like a rustic looking jute sling as much as anything, there's nothing wrong at all with using synthetic materials IMO.  
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Reply #4 - Apr 13th, 2012, 2:33pm
 
Though I'm a hemp bigot (braid-er here ) ... most of my slings are a leather pouch (what ever I find that's cheap) hitched to whatever synthetic is at hand. (poly, nylon, spectra, plastic ... whatever) nuthin 'gainst new here.
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Reply #5 - Apr 13th, 2012, 4:26pm
 
One thing I like about slings is that it's really hard to over complicate them. Modern cordage offers ease, and might (?) give you an edge for distance records but otherwise it's really about what appeals to you most as a slinger.
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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2012, 4:38pm
 
Mike, first of all what the heck is amsteel dyneema?  I don't know what it is, but now I want it.  Your points are valid, and easily explained:  You can buy a Glock 17 for $550.00.  Arguably the most modern and reliable handgun in use today.  Even so, there's always some yahoo that wants a .60 caliber flintlock.  The Sling, the finest guerrilla weapon on the face of the Earth, at use in almost every demographic, almost every culture, can be made in one configuration or another by almost anyone, out of almost anything.  But now I can't rest until I have one made out of amsteel dyneema, whatever that is..................................
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2012, 5:17pm
 
I like to think as a "new" sling as a Glock 19, and an "old" sling like an Ed Brown 1911. The glock is cheaper, easier to come by, and generaly better for new shooters; however an expiereinced shooter can see the tremendous beauty and functionality of a time tested design, though it might not look as "high tech".
 
I use both so I don't want to lean towards one side too much, however I generaly prefer natual material slings. Mainly for aesthetic reasons, but it also shows how even through thousands of years the old design and materials can shoot just as well as the "young" ones.
 
Also, if you stick to slinging for awhile, no matter what your prefference is, you will find yourself with a large collection of slings made from almost every material imaginable.  Wink
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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2012, 5:54pm
 
As stated above, I almost always make my sings from synthetic materials and commercially available cords. Howver I recently gave away a sling braided from jute with a leather pouch, to a young man who will likely show it to demonstrate what David used against Goliath in Bible studies at his youth group.  
 
AFAIK jute was unknown in the ancient middle east so in reality the sling is not authentic at all (specially as the knots are sealed with superglue and the leather is synthetic). However it sure looks a lot more authentic than green and black conveyor belt strung up with white motor mower pullstart cord.
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Reply #9 - Apr 13th, 2012, 10:29pm
 
Dyneema is one of the new braided fishing lines, super strong for the diameter, 50 pound test dyneema is slightly smaller than 10 pound test monofiliment.  Think Spyderwire.  
 
You can braid a very skinny sling that is very strong, I don't think it handles abrasion very well, so you will need a leather pouch and you will definately need to pad the finger loop and you will probably need a button on the release cord.
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Reply #10 - Apr 13th, 2012, 10:59pm
 
Quote from Bill Skinner on Apr 13th, 2012, 10:29pm:
Dyneema is one of the new braided fishing lines, super strong for the diameter, 50 pound test dyneema is slightly smaller than 10 pound test monofiliment.  Think Spyderwire.  

You can braid a very skinny sling that is very strong, I don't think it handles abrasion very well, so you will need a leather pouch and you will definately need to pad the finger loop and you will probably need a button on the release cord.

 
Why would you need to braid at all? Couldn't you merely use the material straight as it comes? After all 50 lbs is quite strong, with a retention and a release cord pulling in unison it means your sling load could be up to 100 lbs. You're never going to break that pulling with just your fingers.
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Reply #11 - Apr 13th, 2012, 11:18pm
 
Everyone,
 
Thank you for the discussion.  I agree that the Glock is the epitome of the modern firearm and certainly has its place.  Yet sometimes, a .50 cal flintlock is just what is called for.
 
I can see that in fairly short order I'll have a stable full of slings of different styles and materials.
 
The Dyneema I have is 1/8" and is commonly referred to as Amsteel Blue http://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?rope=192
 
It has very high strength and abrasion resistance.  It is often used to replace wire rope on sailboats for their standing rigging.
 
I've been using it to hold me up in my hammock so I know it is plenty strong for a sling.  In the next week or so I should be able to get my hands on some good leather.  When I do I'll put some of my Amsteel to use and see how it performs.
 
While I've got your attention, what is a good length for a sling for a figure-8 throwing style?  My current sling is about 33" when I'm holding both ends.
 
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Reply #12 - Apr 14th, 2012, 1:59am
 
I've taken it into account, and I've decided I don't like modern materials all that much, besides synthetic yarn. Fishing line, etc is very slippery. The release cord can also hurt if it should whip into someone. No such issue with natural fibers. Also, the neccesary strength of a sling doesn't top more than 50 or so pounds. You would be more likely to break a sling by abrading it. In that case, a tiny bit of whipping will solve the issue. Sure a super smooth cord might have less resistance, but the change is so minimal (if at all), and in my opinion the cons are so large, that using ultra slick nylon just isn't worth it.  
 
 
Just my humble opinion. I don't like modern materials that much, but I don't think they're neccesarily bad.  
 
Instead, if we were to use more modern and better materials, the thing that should be changed is the sling bullet itself. Sling glandes have a lot greater influence on power, accuracy, and distance than with what a sling can do (assuming length doesn't change).
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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2012, 11:39am
 
lol actually it's kind of not representative - the braiders are generally more enthusiastic and voluble. Always looking for different patterns and techniques. Whereas us folk who just make paracord and leather slings don't have alot ot say as the techniques are pretty basic.  
 
For example I only use simple overhand knots in my slings - nothing else is needed. So not a lot to talk about Smiley  
 
So while in reality there are an awful lot of slings made with modern materials, it's the historic side that generates the most discussion Smiley
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Reply #14 - Apr 14th, 2012, 2:42pm
 
I love hemp  Wink and I love to braid, so most of my slings are - you guessed it, made of 1/16th inch diameter hemp, but the one sling I always have with me is Aussie's seat belt sling. Black paracord cords; forest green pouch. The thing is indestructible, completely weather proof and i'm quite accurate with it (finally).  So its old and new for me too
 
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