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Apr 5th, 2012, 10:37pm
 
I've been slinging off and on (mostly off) for about half my life, but I just started to really pick it up seriously again in the last eight or nine months (with a bit of a hiatus owing to a nasty case of bursitis).  You guys have been an absolutely fantastic resource in that journey.  I've shamelessly copied pretty much every sling example offered here, and a few on other sites as well.  Right now, when I'm not taking roving trips through the woods, I'm working on braiding Peruvian-style slings with a marudai, as the traditional up-braiding is horribly difficult.  In addition to slings, like probably 90% of this board, I'm also an archer and atlatlist, and I've devoted quite a lot of time to studying primitive (particularly paleolithic) throwing spears with and without the use of the amentum.
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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2012, 1:08am
 
Welcome friend.
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Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2012, 7:13am
 
You like slinging? Archery? Paleolithic era????
Damn welcome my soulmate!  Cheesy
Seriously, welcome to the forum.
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Reply #3 - Apr 6th, 2012, 9:58am
 
Quote from Mauro Fiorentini on Apr 6th, 2012, 7:13am:
You like slinging? Archery? Paleolithic era????
Damn welcome my soulmate!  Cheesy
Seriously, welcome to the forum.
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More than you know.  I've been following your posts, and I'm also interested in experimental archaeology.  I work in a paleoanthropology lab studying primitive projectile weapons through the use of experimentation and comparative analysis with both archaeological finds and morphological data from skeletal remains.  I'm going to be doing archaeological field school this summer, and hopefully I'll be heading off to graduate school in about a year or so to start tackling this stuff on the way to a PhD.
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Reply #4 - Apr 6th, 2012, 2:28pm
 
That's really interesting!
And where're you going to dig? Which context?
Your job is really amazing, lucky you! But tell me more, where do you work?
I have access to the Archaeological Superintendance library, so should you ever need a helping hand in finding some Italian publications, just ask  Smiley
(And what's your real name, by the way? If we are to marry, I'd like to know...!).
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Reply #5 - Apr 6th, 2012, 3:15pm
 
My name is Alina.  The lab where I do my research is at Duke University.
 
Hopefully my dig site is going to be a battlefield of the Pequot War in northern Rhode Island.  It's a 17th century site, which is definitely much later than the paleolithic, but it is of interest to me as it is part of the trend of change in Native American weapons technology from the pre-columbian type weapons to those picked up from the colonists.  As more and more of the archaeological information comes out, it will be easier to chart the change in the weapons kit of native american tribes.
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Reply #6 - Apr 6th, 2012, 5:40pm
 
Quote from Atlatlista on Apr 6th, 2012, 3:15pm:
the trend of change in Native American weapons technology from the pre-columbian type weapons to those picked up from the colonists.

 
Now THAT is really interesting!
Has anyone never conceived the idea to compare these archaeological evidences with some anthropological analysis? (I mean, how did the Zulu behaved while fighting the English in Africa, for example).
Oh I'd like to ask you so many things Alina! The first: have you found evidences of slinging among the NA until the 17th Century?
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Reply #7 - Apr 6th, 2012, 7:18pm
 
Quote from Mauro Fiorentini on Apr 6th, 2012, 5:40pm:
Quote from Atlatlista on Apr 6th, 2012, 3:15pm:
the trend of change in Native American weapons technology from the pre-columbian type weapons to those picked up from the colonists.


Now THAT is really interesting!
Has anyone never conceived the idea to compare these archaeological evidences with some anthropological analysis? (I mean, how did the Zulu behaved while fighting the English in Africa, for example).
Oh I'd like to ask you so many things Alina! The first: have you found evidences of slinging among the NA until the 17th Century?
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I'm not an expert in Native American archaeology.  However, I think the book on slingstones in the Americas and Oceania probably covers that (though I haven't snagged my copy yet).  Of course, the Lovelock cave sling is a very early example.  The work I'm going to be doing is going to center on the Eastern Woodlands though, and living in that sort of environment, I can tell you it is not ideal for slinging at all.  I think a more Mediterranean type climate is better for slinging (like what I used to have when I lived in California).  Here in North Carolina, the forests are so dense that they make it difficult to use a sling, and the chance of a deflection is extremely high.  There just isn't a lot of room to use the range and power of a sling to its full advantage.  I think that's why in this region bows and arrows predominated, at least in the post-Archaic period.  Now, if you were to go out to the American west, that would be a whole different story.  At some point, I'm going to head up to Washington DC to the national museum of the American Indian.  They have some great artifacts there, and they may be able to give more answers as to the use of the sling amongst pre-columbian Native American tribes.
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Reply #8 - Apr 6th, 2012, 7:27pm
 
Thanks Alina, your thoughts on a sling's effectiveness depending on the context are really intelligent.
I tried hunting with my sling and I must say I had some good chances to kill a variety of animals, as well as I used to do using the bow.
But not when I'm in the middle of a forest: there simply are too many trees, and I can forget to hunt birds, while hunting quadrupeds is still possible (but above my ability).
I was also thinking to develop a slinging throw that would send the stone directly upward, but for the time I'd reach the tree where my pray is, it would fly away. Yes, a bow works much better in certain situations.
But the feeling to throw a stone to a rabbit or a pheasant...  Smiley
Anyway, I'm not that kind of hunter. Honestly, I gave up hunting some time ago. I simply don't need that meat that bad. I go fishing instead, I simply love the challenge to fish in a context that is not my own, and I'm absolutely devoted to the sea.
Where did you live in California? Was it a place by the sea? Care to share some pics of it?
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Reply #9 - Apr 6th, 2012, 8:03pm
 
Hate to jump in on the 'dialog' here, but welcome.  Wink
 
I am a bowyer as well. I mainly work on replicating Eastern Woodland style bows (mostly pre contact) but I do pretty much anything depending on the stave. You can learn a lot about what the various tribes use for the bow, purpose, what tools they had, how tall the indian was and what the envirement was like, and a whole bunch of other stuff when you make one. Right now I am working on a Potawan replica. North Carolina is a big Cherokee area I think so finding stuff on Indian culture there is cake compared to most places. I went there with my family last year to the ronoak/chimney rock area, beautiful area. Never really worked with atlatls much, just more of a bow and sling guy I guess.  
 
I have a pretty good feeling slings were used more often than given credit in the U.S. Espicialy when you have flocks of passenger pigions that an block out the sun and flocks of turkey in the hundreds; a sling would be a pretty formidable hunting weapon. And some tribes like the Hopewell tribe in Ohio used atlatls all the way until contact so I would think there were some tribes that used the sling as well.
 
You seem pretty knowledgeable on these things so I am looking forward to hearing more!
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Reply #10 - Apr 6th, 2012, 8:04pm
 
I was out in Santa Barbara.  It's a pretty place.  The mountains are more deserted than you'd expect and are the perfect place for all manner of primitive weapons.  I did a lot of slinging back there, as well as tomahawk throwing and roving archery.  Here in North Carolina, tomahawk throwing and roving archery still work very well, and I find places with abundant rock supplies for my slinging.  It's just harder to find a good area for it.
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Reply #11 - Apr 6th, 2012, 8:25pm
 
Slingign in forrested areas is pretty tough. You might want to take a day and learn how to throw Fig 8 throw. I used to reallly not like it but, truth be told, it's the best style for slinging in the woods.
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Reply #12 - Apr 6th, 2012, 9:45pm
 
Quote from Dan on Apr 6th, 2012, 8:25pm:
Slingign in forrested areas is pretty tough. You might want to take a day and learn how to throw Fig 8 throw. I used to reallly not like it but, truth be told, it's the best style for slinging in the woods.

 
I've tried it and I really didn't like it.  I may have to give it another try if I can figure out how to do it without hitting myself in the head and losing the rock out of the pouch.
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Reply #13 - Apr 6th, 2012, 9:46pm
 
Try watching this if you haven't already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PyN2MnBOzI
It may help!
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Reply #14 - Apr 6th, 2012, 9:52pm
 
Quote from Mauro Fiorentini on Apr 6th, 2012, 9:46pm:
Try watching this if you haven't already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PyN2MnBOzI
It may help!
Greetings,
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Wow that was super helpful, though I knocked over a Yak-9 model attempting it while watching the video on my monitor.  Is this guy a slinging.org member?  He sounds like he's in the military, especially the way he talks about it being a "three-count action."  Reminds me of PT in my ROTC classes in college.
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