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Reply #15 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 11:28am
 
About a month ago i've tried it,without a saddle,and while the horse just walking. I used a 70cm (27") sling and a helicopter style. Just as you would think,it feels awkward and week. Also you cannot sling on the right if your right handed.Using a saddle would probably improve on the case,but dunno how much.The horse did a small jump the first time  i've slung,but i was expecting it.The horse could well tolerate the sound with a bit of practice.The power of shots is considerably less than on foot,as you cannot use your body,again a saddle would probably help.Also i imagine that a good rider and slinger might be able to use the horses movement to get more power in his shots.When the horse lands on his front feet in gallop the slinger could whip his upper body into the throw.Like horsearchers loose the arrow while all the feet of the horse are in the air.A well trained slinger who knows to ride very well and using a saddle could be effective,but a good horse archer would beat him easily in performance. I'm definitely going to try it some more.  
There is one painting from a greek vase depincting schythian mounted slingers..as it was written where i've found the picture.It was already posted somewhere around the forum.Also it says that the horses are dressed like sacred ibex.
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Reply #16 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 12:34pm
 
Very interesting stuff Jlasud. Can't imagine how much skill it would take to accurately sling from horses. It's already difficult just standing still.
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Reply #17 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 2:26pm
 
Maybe the horse provides additional speed?
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Reply #18 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 3:20pm
 
Quote from Dan on Mar 23rd, 2012, 9:34am:
It's definitely possible with a short sling and some kind of underhand or high helicopter but as I said when there were horses and slings the slings were being used against the horses, not while riding the horses.

Little definitely bring some kind of bow. Howard Hill even used a long bow on horse back to take down a buffalo but a bow around 50" would be a lot easier to use.
The skill of horse back archers is astounding, the Comanches could not only take lot's of shots on horse back but while riding bareback they could lean over the side of the horse, while it was running, and using only leg musles hold themselves up and use the horse as protection as they shot their bows from underneath the horses neck and then after shooting they could pull themselves up with just their legs and keep shooting. You alsohave enough time to make a real plains bow and arrows between now and summer. And you can just ask questions on here and myself and others would be happy to answer.

 
I have a pretty good idea of how to make a bow,  the shorter the length,  the wider it should be,  and dont mess with the back of the bow only some of the sides and belly to shape it etc..
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Reply #19 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 6:29pm
 
I think those "Scythians" are in fact riding ibexes, so it's a fantasy image (like pygmies fighting cranes).  
 
The Romans slung on horseback. But then they really, really liked to throw things from horseback, with great accuracy (they had exercizes to practice deflection shooting and even throwing javelins backwards, iirc). The question is whether this is just one of the weird things they did, or if they picked it up from other people (one of the exercizes they had was "horse tricks that other peoples e.g. Germans are good at", i.e they deliberately set aside time to try and imitate tricks they saw other peoples perform).
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Reply #20 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 7:16pm
 
What I can add to this is that there's actually no evidence of mounted slingers in pre-Roman Italy.
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Reply #21 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 9:39pm
 
I think that if a mounted slinger could get his timing right, then he could send massed fire towards enemy lines. nothing accurate mind, but definitely in the right direction. What's more, the slinger and horse could carry slightly more armor and a lot more ammo, making them more efficient against archers. It would allow them to carry armor to deflect arrows, and a lot more ammo, as they probably will need if they're slinging off such an unstable platform. But then they could get in a lot closer to archers, without going to close.
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Reply #22 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 11:31pm
 
i have been thinking about slinging from my bike....as soon as i get a day here that doesn't rain im going to try it
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Reply #23 - Mar 23rd, 2012, 11:42pm
 
Quote from Liberty dog on Mar 23rd, 2012, 11:31pm:
i have been thinking about slinging from my bike....as soon as i get a day here that doesn't rain im going to try it

 
Been there, done that, nearly broke something. It's hard to load, sling, and balance. Reloading requires two hands, so you have to ride the bike with no hands, while trying to stick a stone in a sling without dropping it. If you can figure it then it would be awesome.
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Reply #24 - Mar 24th, 2012, 1:06am
 
Tried that also,but of course i only managed the girliest lob,and was happy i didn't loose balance .It's way worse than slinging from horseback..
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Reply #25 - Mar 24th, 2012, 1:11am
 
The picture could very well be a mythical portrait as thearos wrote,but as crazy the ancients were i could imagine them even riding ibexes while slinging around..now that would be the show Cheesy Mounted slingers were probably rare,let alone ibex riding slingers,but i'm sure it was done to some scale. I can imagine this in deep into the history,probably soon after man started to ride horses.
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Re: Were there any mounted slingers???
Reply #26 - Mar 24th, 2012, 9:28am
 
Quote from Little on Mar 23rd, 2012, 3:20pm:
Quote from Dan on Mar 23rd, 2012, 9:34am:
It's definitely possible with a short sling and some kind of underhand or high helicopter but as I said when there were horses and slings the slings were being used against the horses, not while riding the horses.

Little definitely bring some kind of bow. Howard Hill even used a long bow on horse back to take down a buffalo but a bow around 50" would be a lot easier to use.
The skill of horse back archers is astounding, the Comanches could not only take lot's of shots on horse back but while riding bareback they could lean over the side of the horse, while it was running, and using only leg musles hold themselves up and use the horse as protection as they shot their bows from underneath the horses neck and then after shooting they could pull themselves up with just their legs and keep shooting. You alsohave enough time to make a real plains bow and arrows between now and summer. And you can just ask questions on here and myself and others would be happy to answer.


I have a pretty good idea of how to make a bow,  the shorter the length,  the wider it should be,  and dont mess with the back of the bow only some of the sides and belly to shape it etc..

 
 Yeah to a certain extent, But perfect tillering can usualy make up for width, and the profiele with setback limbs allowed greater draw weight and higher performance than a standard straight bow about the same performance as a working recurve but a lot easier to make.
 
The only use I could see using a horse with a sling is either dropping me off into battle where I would dismount the horse and sling at the oncoming force. Or if you had a Mule or wome kind of lad bearing animal, you could have them walk back and forth behind the battle lines carrrying extra ammo for the slingers sif they needed it.
 
Still slingers are best when being very very light infantry not heavy calvary.
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Re: Were there any mounted slingers???
Reply #27 - Mar 24th, 2012, 1:24pm
 
Quote from Mauro Fiorentini on Mar 22nd, 2012, 9:42am:
Quote from Dan on Mar 22nd, 2012, 9:30am:
I think we had some girl on here awhile ago that rode horses,


Yeah, how could one forget her??

Quote from Dan on Mar 22nd, 2012, 9:30am:
can't remember if she slung off them too.


Nope, she didn't  Wink
But she asked about Ayla's double shoot too!
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Yep, how could one forget her.  Apparently she only shot a bow from her horse.  I love that shaggy horse she's shooting from. It's almost as pretty as she is.
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Reply #28 - Mar 24th, 2012, 1:37pm
 
Men need more women like her Cheesy
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Reply #29 - Mar 24th, 2012, 2:43pm
 
She is very cool. I hope she comes back.
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