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Your next sling project?
Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:40pm
 
Or perhaps that should read "Your next major sling project" if you have several little one's to get out of the way first. My next sling project is probably something out of sisal or mason line because I've heard interesting things about both. I would like to make a Tut sling because that is one that has always intrigued me.

What about you? Doesn't have to be just slings, could also be a stone pouch etc...
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Reply #1 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 2:41pm
 
Ammo for me. I'd like to get some nice consistent ammo made. I don't have easy access to clay, so what type of concrete/cement/whatever is ideal and cheap?
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Reply #2 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:12pm
 
I'm starting to work with multiple tiny strands of strong fiber like linen and hemp.  Real small, though, like saddle stitching size.  I'll wax them into groups to braid and then decide how I want to split them up for herringbone retention loops and release cords.
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Reply #3 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:13pm
 
Just get yourself a bag of the highest grade Portland Cement you can find. (53) Don't worry if you can't find the highest, just keep in mind to get it if you do have a choice. I avoid concretes and anything with large aggregate in it.

Make up a batch in a 5 gallon bucket. Stir it up really well (this can be a little difficult) and take a large chunk of it and put it on a flat, hard surface that you don't mind getting dirty. Then flatten it out into a square about 2 inches tall. Then cut like you would bread dough.  
Take a knife or a masonry trowel or even a ruler and cut a line off. Separate it from the main batch and then cut it into even pieces. Then just set them aside and do the next line. You can't just cut lines through the entire "brick" of wet cement as it will begin seeping into each other. It is not as firm as clay.

Doing it this way you can make several hundred in an hour if you get practiced enough at it.

After cutting quite a few of these, they begin to dry out. Keep a bowl of water near by and quickly dip one half of the ammo blank to moisten them before final shaping.  Once your entire batch is molded into spheres let them set for 24 hours. If you live in a really hot and dry place keep in mind that excessive heat and dryness during the curing process makes weaker ammo. After the 24 hours has past spray them all down and put them in a bucket with a tight fitting lid. Or just fill the bucket with water and put them in the water. They need to be kept moist to cure properly. After 3 days minimum you're good to go.  Throw them against a carpet back stop and they will last a long time.

Nothing will help you figure out what works form-wise like perfectly consistent ammo. Once you get that figured out then using imperfect stones isn't such an issue because you understand what is happening based on form and what is caused by imperfections in the stone. That is the reason I made them at first. I rarely do now though.


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Reply #4 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:41pm
 
fletch_man wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:12pm:
I'm starting to work with multiple tiny strands of strong fiber like linen and hemp.  Real small, though, like saddle stitching size.  I'll wax them into groups to braid and then decide how I want to split them up for herringbone retention loops and release cords.  


I've thought about nearly the same thing but with ultra strong fishing line like Spider Wire. Ulta-light, super strong slings, flat braid on the strings similar to those colored friendship bracelets you see the teenie-boppers wearing with a 3/4" wide pouch for throwing .50-.75 cal lead balls all fitting into a 34mm film canister or Altoids tin, something like that. But that's just an idea.

My next project, now that I was able to pick up pandanus and coconut fiber is to work on replicas of south pacific slings. I made three this weekend. I haven't thrown with them yet but I will.
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Reply #5 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:52pm
 
Another King Tut using the dimensions from the Manchester artefact. I need to replace the one I donated to the museum  Cool
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Reply #6 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 4:21pm
 
I'm toying around the idea of a king tut sling.

I also found via youtube fingerloop braiding. It's a quicker way to braid 8-16 strand patterns. I've only done it a couple of times so far and the more complicated one didn't work out properly last time. But I'd like to use fingerloop braiding to make straps for a sling.

Those two are on my "to do" list as soon as I can manage it.

morphy, about ammo. Have you tried working with quickrete? What are your thoughts on it instead of pure portland cement?
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Reply #7 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 4:22pm
 
David Morningstar wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:52pm:
Another King Tut using the dimensions from the Manchester artefact.


I was going to say about the same thing. With your measurements and the close up photos I think it would be possible to make a very accurate reproduction. That's a sling project I would like to work on next, but in reality the next sling I make will probably be whatever the next commission I get is, and it may be a while before I have the time to work on the Manchester sling.

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Reply #8 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 4:54pm
 
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fletch_man wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:12pm:
I'm starting to work with multiple tiny strands of strong fiber like linen and hemp.  Real small, though, like saddle stitching size.  I'll wax them into groups to braid and then decide how I want to split them up for herringbone retention loops and release cords.  


I've thought about nearly the same thing but with ultra strong fishing line like Spider Wire. Ulta-light, super strong slings, flat braid on the strings similar to those colored friendship bracelets you see the teenie-boppers wearing with a 3/4" wide pouch for throwing .50-.75 cal lead balls all fitting into a 34mm film canister or Altoids tin, something like that. But that's just an idea.

My next project, now that I was able to pick up pandanus and coconut fiber is to work on replicas of south pacific slings. I made three this weekend. I haven't thrown with them yet but I will.


That.  Is a cool idea.  Like something out of the "Dune" series, remember "shiga wire"?
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Reply #9 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 5:02pm
 
fletch_man wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 4:54pm:
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fletch_man wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:12pm:
I'm starting to work with multiple tiny strands of strong fiber like linen and hemp.  Real small, though, like saddle stitching size.  I'll wax them into groups to braid and then decide how I want to split them up for herringbone retention loops and release cords.  


I've thought about nearly the same thing but with ultra strong fishing line like Spider Wire. Ulta-light, super strong slings, flat braid on the strings similar to those colored friendship bracelets you see the teenie-boppers wearing with a 3/4" wide pouch for throwing .50-.75 cal lead balls all fitting into a 34mm film canister or Altoids tin, something like that. But that's just an idea.

My next project, now that I was able to pick up pandanus and coconut fiber is to work on replicas of south pacific slings. I made three this weekend. I haven't thrown with them yet but I will.


That.  Is a cool idea.  Like something out of the "Dune" series, remember "shiga wire"?


I got the idea with the first paracord sling I made, I just had a small piece of really cheap, thin cord and the only lead I had was from my musket. It all seeemed so small but with a little practice it whipped the lead like crazy. I travel a lot and while I usually have a sling anyway, a very small strong sling with 8 or so lead balls could be fun.
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Reply #10 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 6:18pm
 
I'm looking to make a nice plant fiber sling next, probably, a split pouch design, right now there's bast fibres available and bramble fibres. I'll have to figure out a method for shredding the raw fibres down into really thin, hair-like strands, anybody know of a primitive comb-type tool that I could make for this?
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Reply #11 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 6:46pm
 
The only thing I know about extracting fibers is that it's a lot of work. I have only worked with yucca and no comb was used. The leaves are pounded and scraped and scraped and scraped more then dried then scraped then you can separate and organize your fibers before twisting into cord then braiding or weaving. I'm sure there are many resources. A quick Google search yielded: http://www.wildpath.co.uk/blog-and-bushcraft-tutorials/item/12-extracting-fibres...
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Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 7:48pm
 
Working on knitting and balearic/simple split pouch designs. With simple split pouch designs I have difficulty lining up the two braids, and I have no idea how to knit at all Grin

I like the simple split since it has a rustic appeal, and it's pretty fast to make if I ever figure it out. The knitting is because it's just another pouch design to add towards my sling making repertoire.
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Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 9:59pm
 
I want to try to make an Aussie style pouch made of leather. Also, I think I'm going to come up with a simple, artistic sling design and try to set up a stand in the Saturday market like Fletch. They could be for tennis balls for practice or to throw balls for dogs.
oh, and I have some awesome concrete ammo I made! I actually found football shaped Easter eggs and used them as molds. I take them out and they have the grip like a football!
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Reply #14 - Mar 20th, 2012 at 3:53am
 
Carbon would you show your easter egg mold and it's "castings" ?
My projects would be to make a ton of ceramic and clay ammo and a tut sling is what i would like for a long time.Also exploring Honderos H-1,making more of them,i have two still waiting to be tested hopefully without losing them.
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