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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #15 - Mar 17th, 2012 at 9:06pm
 
Thunder Chief wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 11:11pm:
........ how likely do you think it is that the king himself was at all skilled with that sling?  I have trouble imagining slinging as a hobby of the uber-wealthy.


Very interesting point. Of course in those days slings weren't a hobby in the modern sense, but useful tools. However slings were the weapons of the lower classes. Royalty and aristocracy used bows. But when shooting at waterfowl over lakes, rivers, etc. slings have the big advantage that you don't have to worry about recovering your arrows.

Interesting that when David and Jonathan become friends, right after the Goliah incident, Jonathan gave David his own bow. This wasn't just a random gift, it symbolized David's elevation into royal society.
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Reply #16 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 4:01am
 
Egyptian aristocracy also used boomerangs of the returning-kind !
Some of them were found in King Tut's coffin, and many representations of ibis and duck hunting with boomers are painted on several ancient Egyptian monuments' walls.
If thrown properly, there too, no need to go and fetch the weapon back !
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #17 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 4:50am
 

Throwing sticks they certainly had, I have seen some of them, but do we definitely know of any returning boomerangs in Egypt?

To the best of my knowledge they have only been known in Australia, and there they were only about 10% of the total of all throwing sticks. In some parts of the country they were not used at all.
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #18 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 5:02am
 

Hmmm... Pitt Rivers thought they did, but he was throwing modern reproductions.

http://england.prm.ox.ac.uk/englishness-PR-and-Boomerang-technology.html
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #19 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 6:17am
 
Of course, the boomers found in king Tut's coffin were never thrown, but their shape have been studied and it is very probable that they did return indeed.
I have many serious books on the boomerang (history and aerodynamics) and have found that allegation in several of them.
Cannot quote them right now as I'm preparing to move house next month, so all my books are packed up in boxes, but could give you references in a little while.

You're right saying most Aboriginal boomerangs do not return.
This feature isn't very useful for hunting.
Returning boomerangs were only used in very few areas, mainly as a toy for kids, or to gather flocks of ducks together in order to trap them in big nets tied to tall trees.
Though, they still make a curve in space.  They can also hit the ground and get back on their killing track to chop legs or heads of roos or emus off !

Egyptians seem to have also used the returning boomerang this way : gather flocks of birds and eventually hit one over the head (though no mention of nets).
Ibis and ducks are water birds, and if the boomerang doesn't come back... well it's lost.
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #20 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:20am
 
Shouldn't the description card say sling instead of slingshot?
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
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Reply #22 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 1:07pm
 
Wow that's awesome David! Good to see they could learn from your expertise.

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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #23 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 1:24pm
 
Thunder Chief wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 11:11pm:
Changing tack slightly, how likely do you think it is that the king himself was at all skilled with that sling?  I have trouble imagining slinging as a hobby of the uber-wealthy.

Finnish ex-army chief, President Tarja Halonen (a woman), had not been to the army. Smiley
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #24 - Apr 2nd, 2012 at 1:35am
 
Thunder Chief wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 11:11pm:
It looks to me like the whipping on the retention cord, up by the pouch is spliced into the main cord.  There also seems to be a knot a couple of inches down the cord, either to tie off the whipping strand or to shorten the cord a little.  I have a few slings that I mis-measured, or wanted to re-size, that have a knot in a very similar location.

Changing tack slightly, how likely do you think it is that the king himself was at all skilled with that sling?  I have trouble imagining slinging as a hobby of the uber-wealthy.


I bet he would have used one on occasion. Though more for the sport of hunting, rather than just slinging as a hobby. (like water fowling.) Since it was in his tomb, it was probably intended for him to use in the afterlife.
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #25 - Apr 3rd, 2012 at 3:45am
 
I find this David vs Museum story really great, it certainly deserves c_a`s gold star.
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #26 - Apr 3rd, 2012 at 6:50am
 
Yep educating the curator that it's a sling, not a slingshot - would be the next move Smiley
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Re: Manchester Egyptian sling - measured!
Reply #27 - Apr 3rd, 2012 at 12:59pm
 
After looking at the picture it occurred to me that the cords are reverse twisted instead of braided. I used to reverse twist my sling cords but stopped doing so out of fear it would introduce too much twisting into the sling during the shot. If the Egyptians did it though... I might have to start doing it that way again.
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