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What is "accurate"?
Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:23pm
 
After the great responses on the "slinging style and accuracy" poll I started I was wondering what you guys consider accurate?
Is decent accuracy being able to hit a soda can at 30 yards, or a barn at 100?
How do you personally gauge your accuracy?
Also, what kind of targets/distances do you sling at?

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I don't like to start extra threads so I thought I'd throw this in there.
I went down the the river the other day and in one 2 hour slinging session after I had thrown practically a thousand stones and my arm was about to fall off I noticed that both my paracord slings had sustained considerable wear. Are there any slings that are durable and aren't susceptible to water and dirt? I live in the pacific northwest, USA and it is wet and muddy year-round. Any ideas?
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Reply #1 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:33pm
 
Great question! I've been wondering what the "standards of accuracy" might be as well.
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Reply #2 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:30pm
 
I consider great accuracy hitting something about the size of a full grown rabbit half the time from 25 meters. Or something about 1/5th the size of a Diana target from the Balearic islands. I consider "Master"-class accuracy being able to hit a bird out of the air at 20 meters or a running rabbit regularly at a similar distance. This keeps the whole "Master Slinger" title down to a minimum, as it should be.

As far as your second issue, I've modified the Apache sling into something that works well in wet or dry and with virtually no wear on it. I've slung thousands of stones through mine in the last 5 months or so and there is not a sign of wear anywhere on the release cord without any need for whipping. Let me know if this interests you and I will see if I can PM you instructions on making it.
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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:37pm
 
Both your accuracy examples would in fact be quite good.

To hit a standard "Coke can" CONSISTENTLY at 30 m is very, very, good! Note I said, "consistently", which means more than 50% of the time. Anyone can fluke it occassionally.

Barn at 100m isn't so hard although there the main factor is the distance. Unless you've got good ammo hitting anything distant gets a little chancey as poor quality stones veer off course so easily. Even with good stones anyone who can hit an object the size of a car at 100m (again consistently) is doing well.

To answer your second question .......... "No". Different slings may last better than others but they all wear out eventually and the ALL get dirty.

PS. Sorry to contradict you Morphy, my friend, but I've yet to see a sling that didn't wear to some degree
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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:39pm
 
I think it would be to hit a standard archery target (bulls eye) at 20yards every time.

As for wear, check out where the wear is at the most. With a braided sling one would stitch leather or whip over it. with paracord you could try covering it in tape. The purpose isn't to prevent wear at all, but to allow only a cheaper, easily replacable part of the sling to possible break. That way you can simply reapply it. It would be better to make some sort of hard/tough case that would prevent wear at all, but it's much more efficient this way.
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Reply #5 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:28am
 
I do not understand these whole discus ions.

What is exact? Who is exact? How exactly is exact?

Thus one does not learn the Slingen. One learns it only by practise.
And by the a little logical think.

There is for the Slingen already Standarts. One must not invent that anew.

Maybe one catches ersteinmal to an ability to trainiern.
This to and fro jump between styles, makes no master.
Exact beherschen of a method is condition for other methods.
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Reply #6 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 7:10am
 
the only current standard is the balearic standard - and that craps out at 30 metres.
Beyong that distance there are NO existing accuracy standards.

Given that any ancient battle slinging would mostly have been at much greater distances - then No there are no existing standards for that kind of slinging jaegoor.

I'd go with aussie - hitting a car at 100 yards is pretty good slinging.

Also the balearic standards are flawed by the insistence of specific throw styles.

So for a freestyle throw no current accuracy standards exist either.  

Your accuracy slinging is always done at relatively short distances jaegoor. Yes it's very impressive, noones questioning that - but at 100, 200 or even 300 metres, how accurate are you ?
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Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 8:03am
 
I had already suggested a meeting to ascertain this.

30 m a very good distance is for a Sling for the hunting.

And on jedenfall I know that I can shoot a stone really 300 m away.

Also in the antiquity were Far shots of ballistic nature. It went therefore of covering a big surface with several hundred Slingern. It was not about a single aim.

Each was present in Sollér, it knows as hard can be Balearic state kind to fulfil.
Can they state also themselves?
So before we further talk, I invite them herewith warmly to a Slinger meeting in Germany.
To floors becomes to Balearic and German Standarts. But also slingen from full run and Slinger chess will be on offer. If they get themselves a valid passport and they come across. Then we start to speak once again of Standarts.
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Reply #8 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 8:08am
 
German state kind is called: they can take an exam for yellow and red. For my part, also brown and black. Then we will see how high her Standarts are.

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Reply #9 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:00am
 
I'm not sure how much truth ther is to this but I remember hearing on here that Roman slingers were required to hit a man sized target at 200yards. True or not I am sure it is possible, and I would consider that to be long range acuracy. Real world close range acuracy I would think would be like being able to hunt small game and consitently would require some major accuracy.

My goal right now is to just not to miss which thus far is going pretty well. I have aquired a very consistent realease time it is just the consistency in form and hand placement for the throw that I need to perfect as I work on smaller targets. Your accuracy isn't as much judged by us as it is by yourself.
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Reply #10 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:53am
 
If its your cords wearing, go down to the hardware store and buy shrink wrap tubing for cables.  Thin ones.  Put a section over the cords and hit it with the hairdryer on high.  Very tough stuff.  Used by eletricians to bundle cables and protect them from abrasion.
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Reply #11 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:24pm
 
For throwing at the river, my slings are made of braided nylon curtain cord, I think about 4 or 5mm.  They get wet and muddy but after a year or so, are not showing much signs of wear.  Some of the rocks are smooth, some are rough, all are muddy.

I thought I was a fairly good shot out to about 15m or so, I tried small game hunting this year and was humbled very quickly.  I think hitting a pop can at 30m for 3 of 5 throws is outstanding accuracy and is probably well below what the old timers could do.  I think that you should be able to sling almost as well as you shoot a traditional bow, slings were used for hunting small game and especially waterfowl, the main advantage is that you lose a rock instead of an arrow if you miss.

And Jaegoor is correct, pick one style and stay with it, slinging is like all shooting sports, consistancy equals sucess.
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Reply #12 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:35pm
 
   I consider hitting a man sized target at 100 yards pretty good accuracy.  Hitting a tree trunk of phone pole at fifty yards is good in my book.
   Have you tried using West Country whipping over the areas that are wearing, Carbon.  It works well for me.     I usually use jute for that purpose.  It's very easy to work with.   The whipping doesn't diminish the sling's effectiveness at all.                        http://www.animatedknots.com/westcountry/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Websit...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Reply #13 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:51pm
 
Bill Skinner wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:24pm:
I think that you should be able to sling almost as well as you shoot a traditional bow 


I agree with this statement. Right now none of us that I know of are at this point. I think one big reason is this idea that seems prevalent among some slingers that since "A sling throws stones, I can therefore pick up any round river stone and with enough practice be able to have amazing accuracy."

Nope. Not going to happen. Tell me one projectile weapon that you can use inconsistent ammo and gain great accuracy? A bow is much easier to use than a sling. If it's necessary with a bow, why on earth would it not be for a sling?  

There are basically two main factors for accuracy with a sling. Pre-release accuracy which is based on form and stone weight and post-release accuracy which is based on stone shape,  and to a lesser extent (except at long ranges) wind, and release cord obstruction.

Just getting all stones or clay ammo at a decent weight and consistent weight for that matter will greatly improve control and offer the slinger the ability to actually improve on a solid foundation rather than a constantly shifting one. But if your ammo is too light, good luck getting really accurate... Anyways, I better end this, I get started on this subject and I just keep going and going...  Tongue Tongue  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:37pm:
Both your accuracy examples would in fact be quite good.

To hit a standard "Coke can" CONSISTENTLY at 30 m is very, very, good! Note I said, "consistently", which means more than 50% of the time. Anyone can fluke it occassionally.

Barn at 100m isn't so hard although there the main factor is the distance. Unless you've got good ammo hitting anything distant gets a little chancey as poor quality stones veer off course so easily. Even with good stones anyone who can hit an object the size of a car at 100m (again consistently) is doing well.

To answer your second question .......... "No". Different slings may last better than others but they all wear out eventually and the ALL get dirty.

PS. Sorry to contradict you Morphy, my friend, but I've yet to see a sling that didn't wear to some degree


It's ok Aussie. Obviously every sling wears at some point, but I can assure you my modified version of the Apache wears at a rate much, much slower than any other sling I've ever used. Offset your cords behind the pouch in the right way and the stone almost never touches them upon release. Use a release tab and the cord never cracks upon release. Those are your two main wear areas. I've used my current cords for probably 5000 throws and I am looking at it right now and there is not a mark anywhere on the cords. No exaggeration and absolutely no need for whipping.
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