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Re: What is "accurate"?
Reply #15 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:28pm
 
The most durable designs I have used are braided hemp with or without leather sewn on. This is my preferred sling for most slinging. I use jute slings too, however they do wear a bit faster than hemp. I have a couple hemp slings that i have had for 2 years or more. They show signs of wear, but are no where near worn out. Pretty much any sling is going to "break in" and look worn  if it is used a lot, but it takes much much longer to wear one out.
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Reply #16 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:43pm
 
I practice from about 20 metres distance on a small 25 litre backpack of mine as a target. I think I'd be doing very well to be able to hit this more than 50% of the time. However, I'm far from that good, having been slinging for less than a year....
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Reply #17 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 6:01pm
 
WOW! I left for work and got back and now there are tons of responses!
Love all the impute.
I think I will whip part of the release cord on my para-sling. The release cord gets the most wear near the pouch I think because of putting stones in the pouch.
As for all the accuracy examples, they are all great. I like what Morphy and Bill Skinner said about treating the sling like a bow.
Great thoughts guy, keep 'em commin'!
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Re: What is "accurate"?
Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 7:30pm
 
I think that treating the sling the same as a bow is a little unfair to the sling. The bow is a weapon which can be aimed; the sling is not. Good accuracy to me is hitting a man sized area from 40 meters more than 9 times out of 10.That's the same accuracy as a recreational baseball player at slightly more than twice the distance. Great accuracy is hitting a rabbit sized area from the same distance at the same odds, and masterful accuracy is the same accuracy at greater distances and any size target from 40 meters count as great or masterful slinging if it is moving when hit.
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Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Re: What is "accurate"?
Reply #19 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 7:54pm
 
I do not think comparing the bow and the sling is all that far fetched.  The sling pre dates the bow by several thousand years and was probably used for hunting small and medium sized game.  If it didn't work, it would not have survived to present times. 

The bow is easier to learn to use but it takes special ammo, good arrows are not easy to make and you want to hold on to them and not waste them.  I have taught hundreds of school kids to throw a sling, the ones about 5 to 8 seem to pick it up quickly, if they stuck with it, how well do you think they would be at age 20?  That pretty much implies daily use and hunger is a great motivator.  Also, I think they would be throwing at fairly close range if they could, long shots would be desperation shots.

Here's one more thing, it is a lot easier to sling while bundled up in winter clothes than it is to shoot a bow.
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Reply #20 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 8:06pm
 
The Sling can shoot at small aims (hare, birds ectra) Schroot. This raises the aim exactness.

40 m are also not easy for a Bow to shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMw7rdHzsEw bow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA9qx-jFmFc Sling

There were no 40 m for then Bow.

Also for the Sling not.

Like us later to noted ones the melon was met by then Bow several times. The arrows simply came through. Besides, without itself the melon moved.

If one exactly looks, one recognises with the attempt with the Sling a miss. Only the second shot traff the melon.

Like us with train with Shild and Sling noted, a small round Shild raises the exactness with distance to shots. One uses him as a help with aim.

In medivial battles we fight in this manner against opposing Bow protection. We meet them on from 60 to 70 m very exactly. Therefore, we are feared.
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Re: What is "accurate"?
Reply #21 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:58pm
 
We've had sling v bow discussions before and claims that one is intrinsically better than the other are really somewhat illfounded. Slings and bows are different as are knives and axes. Both are ranged weapons suited to different applications. Slings are definitely easier and cheaper to make than all but the most rudimentary of bows. They are also very compact and easily carried,requiring little maintenance. They have the added advantage of shooting readily available and free ammunition. An arrow requires many hours of painstaking work to make; an archer is going to be loathe to shoot it recklessly when chances of recovering it intact or at all are low.

However bows are indisputably more accurate than slings. They have all the advantages in the accuracy department. Even with a primitive bow the archer has a rudimentary sight along the arrow itself, the arrow's motion is linear not circular and the archer himself is relatively motionless at the time of the shot, he only has to pick his moment to release when on target.

Slinging is very physical; largely 'improved throwing' with no sights of an kind relying purely on experience and hand/eye coordination. The projectile moves on a circular path, flailing about on the end of 3 feet of rope so timing is critical. The slinger has no direct tactile feedback of the projectile like a thrower and any errors in his arm movement are magnified by the "velocity amplification" effect of the sling. It's a wonder it works at all. Yet it does, but not as accurately as the bow/arrow combination.



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Reply #22 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 1:12am
 
Aussie has a few good points. If you look at the use of any type of tools throughout history there is a very distinct pattern of why one tool replaces another. Just as an example, the first guns were in many ways quite inferior to the bow. That was a hard lesson learned by the first colonials to the U.S. The first guns were inaccurate, not dependable, clumsy weapons. So why did armies use them? Bows take time to learn to use well. Slings take even more time. Any peasant can pick up a gun, be taught to load and fire, and hit when it comes to a volley of lead down range. When you take significant losses in combat you just lost thousands of man hours of training with slingers or archers. You run into the same concept with modern tradesmen. How long did a carpenter have to apprentice with hand tools before he was considered a master? Now, compare that to a modern carpenter with power tools. The time spent learning goes down significantly. Power tools really aren't much if any faster than hand tools in the hands of a master carpenter, just easier to learn. The sling is a highly effective weapon in the hands of someone who has been using one for many years. It had taken me years to get even decent with one. I picked up my first primitive bow several years ago, within a few weeks of practice I could easily hit a kill zone sized target (about an 8 in circle) consistently at 30 yards. With guns, I have taught many people to shoot. I can take someone to the range with a decent rifle and in a couple hours have them nailing the same sized kill zone at 200 yards.
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Reply #23 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:27am
 
With a comparison in Claud shoot, is the Sling in the advantage. She shoots clearly wide as a Longbow with 90lbs. We could prove this on the last week-end once more. Our attempts with Longbows went to 150lbs.
Always was the Sling, besides, winner.
The projectiles of the Sling are influenced by wind not so strongly as an arrow.

However, is valid for both weapons: More than 80 m exactness is relative.

And who has shot already once a Warbow with 90lbs or more which knows which is as difficult a specific shot like with a Sling.

Hence, the use is also relative.

However, both weapons are to be met in combination to far in the late Middle Ages.
This also has good reasons.
A Bow has against an embankment of Shilds only restricted effect. Nevertheless, a Staffsling or Sling smashes Shilds. Only then starts of the Warbow.
This can be booked with numerous pictures of the history.

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Reply #24 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 7:38am
 
I like the analogy of Bow:sling  Ax:Knife

For me, I don't really have a place where I can shoot for accuracy safely, but I want to eventually be able to hit a man sized target at 100 yds consistently, and head sized (or rabbit sized) target at 25 yds. They are arbitrary decisions (note the pretty numbers) but I think a big part of any accuracy discussion with anything is deciding what you want to be able to do, setting your goal a little past that, and working towards it.
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Reply #25 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 11:09am
 
Althouhg we are probably do for another sling vs bow thread soon. The Main reason people switched to using bows is training time. Not really effectiveness, distance or accuracy. But If I can have 200 new soldiers ready in a couple months while it would take years for your slingers to be ready. Well, you can see the reasoning behind it.

I know ammo consitensy has a lot to do wit accurcay but me slinging tennis balls which are not known for their consitency. I could probably hit a torso and head sized target consitently any distance 25 yards or less. Which at about 25 yards is pretty close to what I can do with my bows. So I'd say if you really strived and practiced alot you could probably be as accurate as a moderate traditional archer at most distances.
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Reply #26 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 2:03pm
 
fletch_man wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:53am:
If its your cords wearing, go down to the hardware store and buy shrink wrap tubing for cables.  Thin ones.  Put a section over the cords and hit it with the hairdryer on high.  Very tough stuff.  Used by eletricians to bundle cables and protect them from abrasion.  



My release cord is getting worn considerably in the three inches or so closest to the pouch as well, but I don't think I really want to do the shrink-wrap approach. Can a whipping be made that long that would be effective, or should is there another alternative?
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Reply #27 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 2:15pm
 
perpetualstudent wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 7:38am:
I like the analogy of Bow:sling  Ax:Knife

For me, I don't really have a place where I can shoot for accuracy safely, but I want to eventually be able to hit a man sized target at 100 yds consistently, and head sized (or rabbit sized) target at 25 yds. They are arbitrary decisions (note the pretty numbers) but I think a big part of any accuracy discussion with anything is deciding what you want to be able to do, setting your goal a little past that, and working towards it.


I seem to remember reading a post by a guy named Zorro (I think) where he said shepherds in his area using their very short slings could fairly easily hit a man at 100 meters if they felt like it.

I was taking shots at tree trunks yesterday that were smaller than a man's body from probably 60-70 meters and it was not an overly difficult target. All stones that were poorly shaped went wide of the mark as expected. The one somewhat decent stone I had was within just a few feet of it. I think that's a very achievable goal for any slinger...

I've always had more trouble with very small targets from shorter distances. A coke can at 30 meters consistently means you are an amazing shot with a sling, to be honest that's great shooting with a trad bow for that matter.

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Reply #28 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 3:14pm
 
One other thing I don't think has been mentioned yet is that the first shots are generally the hardest. You can often zero in on a target after one or two shots and then hit it repeatedly. I suppose the 'master slingers' of ages past, if there ever were such people, were the ones able to zero in on the first shot.
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Reply #29 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 3:40pm
 
benkolmer wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 2:03pm:
fletch_man wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:53am:
If its your cords wearing, go down to the hardware store and buy shrink wrap tubing for cables.  Thin ones.  Put a section over the cords and hit it with the hairdryer on high.  Very tough stuff.  Used by eletricians to bundle cables and protect them from abrasion.  



My release cord is getting worn considerably in the three inches or so closest to the pouch as well, but I don't think I really want to do the shrink-wrap approach. Can a whipping be made that long that would be effective, or should is there another alternative?
Thanks,

Ben


Whipping would help, but why are the cords wearing there? Are you letting the cords strike the ground when you throw? If you are hitting the ground with the cords on your release there isn't much of anything that will stop the cords from wearing out. Just be prepared to make new slings when they wear out. It won't take long. My slings will wear in the pouch from coarse stones, and on the release knot from the whip crack on the release, but not usually much wear on the cords near the pouch.
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