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Nov 24th, 2011 at 11:44am
 
Good experience and advices, IronGoober. It is curious that being the slingers in our days generally self-taught and lonely, we end up developing the same knowledge and experiences. This thread is really good to share those experiences with the beginners. Another characteristic of the lonely slinger is that he competes with himself given the difficulty to meet with the few scattered slingers by the world. Nevertheless, the competition and the meeting with other slingers is highly stimulating and help to persevere in that way of improvement alone of the modern slinger. For this reason, I have thought sometimes about the possibility of organizing a virtual competition, that could be based on some rules very simple, like these:

- A standard target and distance for the competition. The target would have to be easy to make for everybody, like a wooden square of 50 cm, and the distance 15 m (or 20 m).

- Each slinger would record a video with a series of 10 shots in a single sequence (it is not valid to cut and paste shots of different series,  Angry ). The video would lodge here (if it is possible) or in youtube, and it would be analyzed and validated by virtual judges (administrators ?). The verification of the validity of the video seems to be easy, would be enough with putting next to the target a common object like a Coca-Cola bottle to validate its dimensions, and regarding the distance the slinger would show to the camera at the beginning of the video, in the direction of the target, another common object like a coin, so that its apparent size with respect the target allows to validate the distance. For example, if a coin of one inch covers the target of 50 cm, the distance would be approximately 20 m. Well, perhaps would be necessary to consider the distance from the camera to the slinger position.

I find interesting this sort of virtual competition, the only possible to organize with certain frequency (three or four times to the year) although I do not know if some others would be interested. It is only an idea that would be to develop in detail. If it worked, perhaps we could have in the future a virtual federation that gathers not only the scattered lonely slingers of the world but also the small groups or associations of the different countries (I like to imagine things  Smiley).

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Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 12:25pm
 
A virtual sliging competition might be a cool idea.  Though my phone`s video camera might have a hard time recording me and my (if any) hits 20 meters away Wink

Many good ideas above here.  I`m one of those who put in a little accuracy practice (as good as) every day, and I recognize most of it.  My basic way is to look at where I want to hit and just throw it there.   
That is not all that easy, though.  Thinking of how to get it there is always bad.  Style has to be automatic, trajectory comes through lots of practice, not calculation of each throw.

There is this small admonition above; Throw at Target.  Sounds silly, but for me it`s the most important one, and I frequently find myself failing in this.  After some misses I realize I`m thinking of some arm movement, foot or body placement, somewhere close to the target where I should not hit, or something other stupid, instead of just of just throwing the ammo at the target.
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Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 12:57pm
 
I really should have read this thread seriosly through before I got out slinging today, to test my idea of a balaeric target out of a tarp.. My slinging was a sad thing.  Cry

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Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 1:53pm
 
And that reminds me of; patience.  My accuracy now is, while not at all perfect, still way beyond what I after couple of years with general slinging, imagined was possible for someone like me.
But, this result comes from patiently practicing often and methodically, over a loooong time, with many ups and downs along the way.
It is hard going, but trust me, the feeling when it finally begin to work makes it worth it.






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Reply #4 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 2:23pm
 
timann wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 1:53pm:
And that reminds me of; patience.  My accuracy now is, while not at all perfect, still way beyond what I after couple of years with general slinging, imagined was possible for someone like me.
But, this result comes from patiently practicing often and methodically, over a loooong time, with many ups and downs along the way.
It is hard going, but trust me, the feeling when it finally begin to work makes it worth it.



Thank you, that was soothing words for my sore slinging-soul!
( You can watch my sadly apperience on my YT channel....  Embarrassed  )
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Reply #5 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:15pm
 
Ulrica wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 2:23pm:
timann wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 1:53pm:
And that reminds me of; patience.  My accuracy now is, while not at all perfect, still way beyond what I after couple of years with general slinging, imagined was possible for someone like me.
But, this result comes from patiently practicing often and methodically, over a loooong time, with many ups and downs along the way.
It is hard going, but trust me, the feeling when it finally begin to work makes it worth it.



Thank you, that was soothing words for my sore slinging-soul!
( You can watch my sadly apperience on my YT channel....  Embarrassed  )

Okay, I admit there is room for improvement  Wink  But do not worry, this was how I began too.  Excactly like that Smiley

Hints:  Try different styles, play with them, find out over time what you like.  For a long time I used a simple basic overhand style - like an Apache throw with a step, as a basic fall-back style. 
If recovering the ammo takes away to much focus, consider trying some bandy balls, could/should be easier to find on that kind of ground.  If possible, some kind of backstop is a good thing.
In the beginning I spendt way to much time worrying about where the ammo would dissapear to focus on actually hitting.

I should make a target like that, too.  I`ll put it on my to do-list.
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Reply #6 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 4:32pm
 
Ulrica,

Don't give up. This is like timann wrote. You will see, it is easier than you think.

Hondero,

An interesting idea. But looks something similar have already been started informally. Watch some last videos. I think Tint was the first one that showed series of his shots, next were Jaegoor, Timann, me, Morphy and Hubert. The last Hubert's one was really impressive. That is really inspiring and motivating. 

However, I am not sure if it is good idea to change it into a formal competition. Maybe it would be enough to use both a standardized target (the 50 cm circle sounds good) and standardized proven distances only. Everyone have different chances to film his most successful shots. If someone who own a good cam-coder on standby and have a slinging spot just near his home, where he is able to sling and film a few times for a day, will have much more chance to catch ten hits in row than someone who have borrowed a camera for a day or two and have to drive to a slinging spot 10 kilometres. Maybe it would be better to let it be a little bit less formal. Just an inspiring fun with proven distances and a standardized and easy to make target.
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Reply #7 - Nov 25th, 2011 at 12:23am
 
timann wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:15pm:
Ulrica wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 2:23pm:
timann wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 1:53pm:
And that reminds me of; patience.  My accuracy now is, while not at all perfect, still way beyond what I after couple of years with general slinging, imagined was possible for someone like me.
But, this result comes from patiently practicing often and methodically, over a loooong time, with many ups and downs along the way.
It is hard going, but trust me, the feeling when it finally begin to work makes it worth it.



Thank you, that was soothing words for my sore slinging-soul!
( You can watch my sadly apperience on my YT channel....  Embarrassed  )

Okay, I admit there is room for improvement  Wink  But do not worry, this was how I began too.  Excactly like that Smiley

Hints:  Try different styles, play with them, find out over time what you like.  For a long time I used a simple basic overhand style - like an Apache throw with a step, as a basic fall-back style.  
If recovering the ammo takes away to much focus, consider trying some bandy balls, could/should be easier to find on that kind of ground.  If possible, some kind of backstop is a good thing.
In the beginning I spendt way to much time worrying about where the ammo would dissapear to focus on actually hitting.

I should make a target like that, too.  I`ll put it on my to do-list.
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thank you [again] for your nice words, Timann.
It did, indeed, took very much time to go search for my presous stones and you have right, I was too afraid for loosing the stone that I couldn´t relly concentrait on the target. Bandyballs is a good idea.

If you want closeups on my target, I can show you that. Maybe in another thread, though.

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Reply #8 - Nov 25th, 2011 at 12:32am
 
@  Yurek ;   Thank you for your nice words, too. I would like to go out slinging more. It´s just not that easy to find time and possibility to go slinging.. I will have to work on this with bandyballs and see if I can be in my garden, if just to practise accuracy and technic, for a while everyday, that would be great.
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Reply #9 - Nov 25th, 2011 at 11:43am
 
Ulrica, if you have made a practical target it is no reason not to make a new thread about it, and show us all pictures of it`s construction.
For slinging in less than great sites there is also the option of tennis balls.  I use it often for target practice, it`s way better than not slinging at all.
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Reply #11 - Nov 25th, 2011 at 12:59pm
 
Yurek,

Of course I saw the videos you mention. Very interesting the one of Hubert, he seems well trained and with excellent accuracy. But I think they all are videos of exhibition or demonstration and don´t have to do with competition videos, since the targets, the distances and the projectiles are different and peculiar, and they don´t allow an objective estimation of the accuracy neither to establish comparisons. Nevertheless they are very interesting and stimulating, and constitute a first step towards the regular virtual competitions. There are well known the advantages of regular competitions, that stimulate the training and are the only way to have a group of good slingers, a few of them excellent. Indeed, as you say, in these competitions participate mainly those slingers who have the possibility and the time to train with regularity, but that happens in all sports. On the other hand, the important thing is not who wins or seems to be the best one, but the accuracy and the records that can be achieved  with the sling. In addition, if there are only a few competitions to the year, one has enough months to train and to record a good series of shots.
But indeed, it seems that at present it is still premature here to organize regular competitions, although perhaps we may advance a step more on the basis of your proposal: to follow with the exhibition videos but standardizing the target and the distance, so that the series of the slingers can be valued objectively. It would be almost as a competition without a fixed date, open all the year, informal and funny, in which each participant would record his video when it was comfortable to him or feel well trained. It would be a mix of exhibition and competition  Smiley.

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Reply #12 - Nov 25th, 2011 at 4:05pm
 
Hondero wrote on Nov 25th, 2011 at 12:59pm:
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But indeed, it seems that at present it is still premature here to organize regular competitions, although perhaps we may advance a step more on the basis of your proposal: to follow with the exhibition videos but standardizing the target and the distance, so that the series of the slingers can be valued objectively. It would be almost as a competition without a fixed date, open all the year, informal and funny, in which each participant would record his video when it was comfortable to him or feel well trained. It would be a mix of exhibition and competition  Smiley.



That is just I was thinking of Smiley One before slinging might film measurements of the target diameter and slinging distance with a measure tape or wheel and walk between the "slinging line" and the target to give an additional rough "steps verification".

After some time the exhibitions probably would evolve into more formal virtual competition. In that case, one day before the competition we could randomize a mark which must be visible on the movies, just in order to restrict the filming time. It would be also necessary to fix a deadline for publication of the movies. There are a lot details to discuss though. But first of all lets see how it will go with "the exhibitions" Smiley

I forget to mention IronGoober in my last post here and say thank you for your excellent tips, guys.
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Reply #13 - Nov 27th, 2011 at 6:36am
 
Very good, Yurek, we are progressing, there are at least two guys thinking on the matter  Smiley. I think that to make easy the virtual competition and that anybody can record his video without added difficulties to the mere aiming practice, it is necessary to simplify to the maximum the topic of the standards that is being discussed of interesting and exhaustive way in the World Standard of Slinging thread. This will not be a regulated competition, but a previous step in the way towards it that we could call “accuracy test” or something so. I think that we would have only to regulate the target and the distance, as simplest as possible and oriented to detect in the video the impacts. The ideal target for this objective would be a sort of hung gong, been easily detectable the impacts by sound and movement in the video. I like in addition this type of target that conform to the warlike reality of the weapons, when it was important to hit an enemy and not that the shots passes close to him (to hit or not to hit, that is the question). A metal disc would be the best, but it´ll not be easy for everybody to get one, and perhaps is better to be of wood, and also to replace the disc by a square, much more easy to make. I think that the wood will also sound well in the video.

As far as the dimensions, the 50 cm of the Balearic diana seems suitable. The distance would have to be unique to simplify its verification in the video and the comparison between slingers. I would propose 20 m for men and 15 for women (I hope, Ulrica, that you´ll participate in spite of not to use your excellent target, that in the video would not allow perhaps to detect the shots that passes through the hole  Smiley. The number of shots can be ten in a single series. That will be better than two separated series of five shots, that could correspond to different dates. The ten shots at least are necessary to score because being the target only the diana, some (or many)  shots will go out. Besides it will better allow appreciating the consistency of the slinger.

Finally, although there would not be regulation of the size and shape of the projectiles, by historical respect to the sling we have to avoid the use of balls of other sports like tennis, paddle, golf, etc., using exclusively stone or clay projectiles (the cement could be considered like substitute of the clay). I believe that these materials are available for everybody. Lead projectiles or of other metals would not be considered here as they suit better to long range competition.
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Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2011 at 6:56am
 
Sounds exciting with a sort of competition. Some day I might join...

A round metal "something" in 0.5 meter in diamter could be hanged up somehow. that would produce aloud bang when hitting it.

Would there be some limited regulations in what kind of sling to use?

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