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Dan

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Re: gun carry
Reply #30 - Nov 14^th, 2011, 8:16am

Quote from kuggur slingdog on Nov 14^th, 2011, 3:08am:

And one very compelling not to; Thou shalt not kill....?
Or does that one come with footnotes?

http://www.biblicalselfdefense.com/

It should be translated into the law that you shouldn't murder. It's pretty basic theology that for some reason most people just don't get, human life is precious and needs to be protected.

Mauro, Are you at all familiar with the Founding Fathers and the Consitution of America? Well let's just say those guys got it right. You evidently have not shot enought if you don't find guns cool, and a very important political reason for owning guns is protection from the government. One quote from Thomas Jefferson is: "When the government fear the people there is liberty, when the people fear the government there is tyranny." One of the first things Hitler did in Germany is heavy registration and then banning of firearms "so the government could protect you" but the main reason was that so there wasn't a resistance from the citizens. This is a smidgion of a nutshell of political reasons for firearm ownership.
Often peopel say "you don't need an AK for duck hunting" (refering to 2nd ammendment) well the second ammendmennt isn't about hunting it's about security and saving lives. There is a huge resposibility to carrying a firearm but everyone I know in the U.S. that carries legaly is extremrly resposible. As my Dad says "if you see my gun on the street, you are probably going to die." One of the first rules of Gun Safety is "don't point the muzzle at anything you don't intend to destroy", it's a rule that applies out on the street too.

BTW Did you watch any of the vids from the channel? It will be a lot easier to understand if you do.

This may sound pridefull but it's not to make me look better it is to prove a point; I have 8 years of expierence of Kenpo Karate under my belt, plus 4 years of knife fighting, my Mom has 7 years of kenpo, my sister has 7 years, my other sister has 4, and my Dad has 4 years of expierence. Four of us are Black Belts and my other siter is a brown belt. I teach kids and mainly adults how to fight very effectivly empty handed 5-7 hours a week. None of us are defenceless without a gun, but sometimes you just have to bring the right tool to the fight should it ever come. "One loves to bear arms though they hope never to have the occasion to use them." Thomas Jefferson to George Washington.

Hope this clears things up a little.

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Re: gun carry
Reply #31 - Nov 14^th, 2011, 8:58am

coming from - probably the strictest gun control culture, certainly in europe. I have to say it is entirely a cultural thing.

As far as the norwegina nutter goes - don't forget he started with two bombs. Had he been unable to get firearms he would most likely have just planted more bombs.

So guns. they are not needed in everyday life, in england you cannot legally keep pistols at home.
Shoguns and hunting rifles you can. But you have to pass a police check and prove that you have somewhere to actually hunt before you are allowed a gun licence.

And you know what - the people who do not have guns, never even think about it. It's a complete non-issue.

Only people who actually first have a reason - ie: they want to go pigeon or pheasant or deer, etc shooting - would ever think about wanting a gun.

pretty much 99.9 % of shootings in the uk are carried out with illegal weapons.
people who have gone to the trouble of getting a gun licence, are not going to rick losing it.

Now in the states the culture is COMPLETELY different.
It's a very young country that was founded on violence (not being dramatic go ask the natives).
And that violence and gun culture has become one of the psychological mainstays of the american culture.

Americans - in my considerable experience - are simply incapable of understanding that the english just don't want guns. The average american considers that the british are being abused by their government because we have such strict gun control laws.
But in reality it's just a total non-issue with everyone except those who wish to hunt. And they are allowed to own firearms for that purpose. So as far as we brits are concerned it's not any kind of problem.

Now if you look at the statistics for people in the states who are shot with legally owned guns. Pretty high. and from the english cultural view it's the americans who are at the disadvantage by having so many opportunities in their society to get shot.

We think you're all psycho gun nutters who live in fear of being shot.

And you think we're all wimps who can't defend ourselves properly.

Both views are completely wrong. And generated purely by the vast cultural difference in mindset between the two countries.

A someone who consorts regularly with americans and a large proportion of rednecks to boot (great people).
I do understand the american obsession with firearms. But I have yet to find an american who understands the standard british approach to them.

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Re: gun carry
Reply #32 - Nov 14^th, 2011, 9:13am

Quote from Dan on Nov 14^th, 2011, 8:16am:

Mauro, Are you at all familiar with the Founding Fathers and the Consitution of America? Well let's just say those guys got it right. You evidently have not shot enought if you don't find guns cool, and a very important political reason for owning guns is protection from the government.

This almost scare me, because I'm convicted that you're a good boy, but keep in mind that such a thinking opens the road to golpes.

By the way, I think Thomas Jefferson's concept of "fear" was very distorted... or right for the times he lived.
I simply can't accept that I have to fear somebody because he has a gun, or that I can scare him with one.
It's an arrogance which is unthinkable for any civilized Nation.
Talibans scare people because they have guns, and I think (and hope) that Americans are better than Talibans.

Anyway, thanks for your explanation, even if - don't get angry or you may shoot the screen - it makes clear that you somehow love violence. I would not be so proud of having any familiarity with guns.

You know, there's an old motto here in Italy:"Non c'è bravo che bravo non lo arrivi", it means more or less "You may be strong but there'll always be someone stronger". So what? Shall we buy always more sofisticated and powerful guns because we may always meet the bad guy with a bigger one than ours? What this would eventually lead to?

Plus - and that's all - you look like very religious. I think that a true Christ follower should not be afraid of going around unarmed, because Christ said "If they beat you, show the other cheek".
But I don't want to teach you anything about religion, those are your business.
As I said above (I was joking, but after your reply I'm a bit more serious) I'm not coming to visit the U.S.A. soon, so what you do it's up to you and your family.
Greetings,
Mauro.

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Re: gun carry
Reply #33 - Nov 14^th, 2011, 9:37am

and thankyou to mauro for demonstrating why we've had a pretty strict non-guncontrol topic of discussion rule in force for the last few years.

It always degenerates into a a slanging match between the current american gun nut (english cultural point of view) and various other members.

So we'll stop this particular thread here before someone says something they'll regret

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