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Reply #15 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 10:37pm
 
I live in Arizona, and here you can open carry with no license....but you can also carry one hidden without a license as well......
all i carry is a sling....but have been thinking about an extendable baton as well Wink
im not sure i would be comfortable with a gun on me because of the chance that if i used it to defend myself and my family,i might hurt someone not involved by accident. and thats nothing but serious trouble
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Reply #16 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 11:22pm
 
I legally carry concealed. Are you familiar with firearms?
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Reply #17 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 5:27am
 
I share the view of Mauro.Although in the past i used to have a fascination for guns,now i don't. They are tools of fear and death,and carrying one because of the fear that one day i might get attacked and might need it is just...crazy. I'm convinced that if most of the adult population would carry a gun,it would result in more violence. It's a fear generating devils wheel.
There would be a lot of cases when a few punches would be given,instead gunshots are fired,and that's not an improvement. Take a look at places where a big portion of people carry guns..there is almost always more violence and use of guns. Combined with legal use of the drug called alcohol,and stupid people plus more guns can't result anything nice.
YEA yea,there is legitimate use of guns and right to bear arms but on the streets there shouldn't be any IMO.
Just imagine if by some "magic" all the firearms would vanish,the world would be a safer place.
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Reply #18 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 6:24am
 
You understand, the very same moment I wrote "Columbine" the Norwegian shooting came to my mind.
It's exactly what I'm afraid of, that some mad could use dad's guns to kill a lot of people.
I know this exceed borderlines and any National law - it could happen anywhere, but this danger, toghether with the fact that here, in Italy, we have mafia's assassins almost anywhere in some neighborhoods of certain towns (and even cops are afraid to go there) really makes me nervous.

You know, about a year ago a Neapolitan family moved to my neighbour. Now, mine is a very quiet one, with families from Albania, Morocco, Senegal, Philippine and other countries. There are Muslims, Christians and atheists, but there have never been accidents of any sorts. This is because it is a small neighbour where anyone knows the other, and relationships are very easy and informal.
Now these Neapolitans came - father, mother, 3 child and a grandfather - and police begun to visit our neighbour, because the father is at home arrest.
I once had a stupid discussion with this man, who grew up in Scampia (a mafious neighbour in Naples): he thought that this was enough to scare me, but since I'm not afraid of mafia - on the contrary, I openly scorn them - he found himself in difficulty as I didn't run away. When I threathened him to call the police, he became very quiet and apologized - a true coward, like all mafia boys are. He avoid me since then, and have become very respectful with other neighbours.

This, just to explain my distaste to arms.
It's often easier to talk with people than to trust a weapon, and if it's true that it's up to the gun's bearer either to shoot or not, it is also true that having no permission to carry a gun saves everybody from somebody other's moment of madness.

Well now I wrote a lot, if you don't understand something just ask, I know my English is not that good  Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 6:29am
 
Masiakasaurus wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:18pm:
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Italian Law: Italian citizens don't have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, but different types of licenses can be obtained by the local police authorities. The applicant must be 18 or older, prove he can handle and use a firearm safely, must provide a clean criminal record and must not be mentally ill or be a known abuser of, or addicted to, alcohol or illegal drugs.
Citizens are allowed to own:
  • up to three common firearms (usually handguns, but all firearms not using hunting calibers fall into this category, such as 10-gauge shotguns)
  • up to six weapons that have been specifically engineered and/or manufactured for shooting sports
  • an unlimited number of hunting weapons (both rifles and shotguns)
  • 8 antique or historical weapons (designed, but not produced, before 1891).
Trade and ownership of deactivated and replica firearms is not regulated by law and is unrestricted.


I'd just like to correct this: common citizens are allowed to own these, but any of these guns has to be reported to the police.
Plus, licenses are not given to anyone, just to specific working categories, such as security and certain (few) traders.
Any other citizen that want to bear a gun has to use it for a specific purpose, which is hunting or sport.
Collecting is allowed, but guns must be harmless - the shutter is removed and given to the police.

In general, the situation is not that clear - for example, cops would generally not arrest me if they find a knife on me while I'm walking in the wild (for I could clearly use it as a tool and not as a weapon, in that context), but of course they will arrest me if I carry that knife in a square (where there's no need of it).
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Reply #20 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 6:39am
 
Again, and sorry for bothering you (I'm the worst moderator on Earth  Grin ).

I begun this topic to answer these comments:

DeeNewcum wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 10:02am:
Mad Scientist wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 12:12am:
i tend to carry a lot in my pockets, for about that reason.
also, something comes to mind about the feeling of power that comes with saving the
day with an item other people think you strange for carrying


I totally do that too.  I'm a knot girl, so I always have several lengths of paracord or shoelaces with me.  It's nice to know that I can make an improvised sling by tying a buntline hitch to a pop bottle neck (or similar weighted object).  This also functions as a meteor hammer.  It's nice that this is a weapon I can take anywhere, and it's something that someone wouldn't find even if they searched me.  (wait...  you can use a bit of string as a weapon??)


which are exactly what I think it's wrong with the right of bearing guns.
99% of people carrying a gun will never have to use it - nor will have any interest in using it, but there's still the 1% who will feel excited and powerful by having a gun.
For example, Columbine and Norwegian killers are exactly that kind of person.
Perhaps a preparatory education to weapons would be of some use?
Greetings (and I promise I ended writing for today),
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Reply #21 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 1:10pm
 
Mauro Fiorentini wrote on Nov 13th, 2011 at 6:39am:
Again, and sorry for bothering you (I'm the worst moderator on Earth  Grin ).

which are exactly what I think it's wrong with the right of bearing guns.
99% of people carrying a gun will never have to use it - nor will have any interest in using it, but there's still the 1% who will feel excited and powerful by having a gun.
For example, Columbine and Norwegian killers are exactly that kind of person.
Perhaps a preparatory education to weapons would be of some use?
Greetings (and I promise I ended writing for today),
Mauro.


your second worst  Wink

and i agree, there should be more education out there, as well as restrictions on gun ownership, but never, ever, ban guns from the law abiding.

also, in america there have been many cases where people have defended themselves with concealed carry handguns. an interesting thing too look at is in Washington DC, america's capitol, your more likely to be shot there than in Iraq. the biggest problem being "saturday night specials" or ridiculously cheap and crappy pistols purchased from shady dealers used to commit crimes with.
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Reply #22 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 2:12pm
 
Mauro Fiorentini wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 1:45pm:
The concept that somebody, don't matter who, can bring a weapon anywhere without being spotted does not seem nice to me.
I think that civilized people does not need guns at all.
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okay, so i wanted to figure out how this forum settings worked, and i thought this sorta went off topic so i'm splitting it andm oving it other topics- xxkid123

I have guns but I don't carry them around unless I intend to use them.  I think if we were civilized then there would be no need for guns, but check out the news.. we need our guns.  As far as outlawing them, if I wanted to kill someone I could do it with or without a gun.  A gun is a tool, like a hammer or ax.  I don't think the general population needs military type automatic weapons, but shotguns and rifles are an American birth right.
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Reply #23 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 2:17pm
 
Don´t think it is  such a good idea, going though the motions of this topic again.
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Reply #24 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 2:30pm
 
Small detail from Norway; weapons is not as such banned from law abiding citicens, but, in Norway,as a part of European culture, self defense is not a legal reason for having them.  Hunting and competition is.  Okay, it has happened, once the media told about an elderly police chief which was under such a percieved threat he was allowed to carry a handgun.  This was known publicly when he was revealed when doing a bit of crime himself.
Unlike USA there`s no politicans or partys you can vote for here if you`ll fight for your righy to carry guns.  Criminals can, and sometimes will, carry guns, but while there is some few real mad killers around, mostly it`s just silly gang members shooting each other in the leg with .22s anyway.  Hardly ever would they consider shooting at normal people or the police.  When they do, the police, while usually unarmed, tend to fix the problem rather effectively, if sometimes slowly. 

When sometimes someone do defend themself with legal guns, the legal complications tend to be rather bothersome, but that`s not just in Norway these days.  Anyway the crime rate is wery low, and in most cases guns would not be the best solution.  Indeed, some people experiense a sudden need for a gun, and dont have it, but that`s not just here, either.

The Norwegian killer would be an aberration in any system, for him the guns was just a means to get the job (adverticing the manifest thing)done.  First he attempted to buy illegal guns, but as he was no real criminal, this became to complicated, and so instead he exploited the system and bought them legally instead.  No criminal record, needed a deer hunting rifle, and member of a pistol club, that was that.
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Reply #25 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 3:22pm
 
I was looking forward to read your replic  Smiley
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Reply #26 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:30pm
 
As a very Right Wing American, I am really in support of Gun carry and ownership. Not only is it just incredibly fun to shoot  Smiley there are a lot of political reasons plus the whole self defence thing.

A concept that used to be common sence but is now lost by the majority of indiviuals with a large government is that Criminals break the law. to reword it by having restritions on guns, the law abiding citizens will have difficulty defending themselvs but hey, it make the criminals (murders, kidnappers, rapist, theifs, extremeist) workplace a safer place.  Wink

Not to mention it's just cool.  Cool Can't wait till I turn 21.

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Reply #27 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 3:08am
 
And one very compelling not to; Thou shalt not kill....?
Or does that one come with footnotes?
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Reply #28 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 6:17am
 
Gun ownership is a very great responsibility. Any time you remove your gun from the holster you are putting yourself in danger of going to jail for a very long time. You better have a very good reason if you shoot someone. And a very good lawyer. That being said, you don't often need a gun, but when you need one, you really need one.
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Reply #29 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 7:40am
 
It is cool to have a gun??  Huh
I don't find it cool at all, it means you're defenseless without one...
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