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Reply #90 - Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:53am
 
squirrelslinger wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:50pm:
I personally am not up to trying to find a reasonably safe 150 foot clear field just for competition. Some people, I can name them, but wont, live in the city and cannot really go sling. It is simply not safe. I have the advantage of not living inner city. Caldou, I get where you are comeing from, but many of us sling becuase its cheap and WE DONT NEED SOME SPECIAL PLACE!


As Caldou said, sport slinging will require those standard distances. Slinging in the backyard is part of the hobby and recreational side of slinging, no one is saying you can't shoot for accuracy in the backyard or in a local park. However, you can't shoot for accuracy for the purpose of compliance with sport slinging standards if you don't have adequate space nearby. That would require you to find an adequate space in order to comply with standard distances. For example, you can't drive around a roundabout and claim you are recording times for NASCAR. - Nothing will be stopping you from slinging in your own spaces for your own purposes.

As for the woven and unwoven categories, I think they should just remain compressed as one. We seem to be going for the liberal approach to slinging competitions regarding slinging styles and slings so what ever sling you want to use is the go. The two different slings really don't offer many unfair advantages or disadvantages as far as I can think right now. It just depends on the users skill and preferred techniques and approaches.

@Donn, the slinging guides and more instructional videos will definitely give the resources to craft a bigger slinging community and stimulate more development for an official slinging sport. This is really what will help the newcomers ease into slinging and sling building. I like the idea of having two categories of slinging competition, however, I'm not sure the popular vote will be to keep them both. The freer category will probably be more attention grabbing and be more free and easy for people to participate without needing the correct and approved materials.

@Caldou, as said by Donn, the slinging guides and similar items will be the teachers of the sport, at least very early on. You had a very brilliant idea of the safety inspections of stones in case they break apart. This is why there needs to be regulations in order to make the sport safe. I would also recommend sling checks. Additionally, the sling length may be needing certain limits in order to make sure its safe to swing around near audiences and etc. I'm somewhat picturing a booth for sling, similar to the confines of a cricket net, so sling length may be subjected to ensure it can be safely swung in the enclosure. But for open fields it's not really a problem unless you are using pirouette style.

Looks like we are going to have to make a small draft of our progress so far and a series of polls. I might try and put something together when I have free time
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Re: World Standards of Slinging
Reply #91 - Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:04am
 
Gosh, man, Camo, you just nailed that! anyway, a booth would be hard to do. I am thinking sort of like a baseball field, but with nets- there is a sort of enclosure, but its wide, and has a sort of roof. I personally cant sling in a space <10 feet by 10 feet for some reason, maybe its my long slings?
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Reply #92 - Mar 3rd, 2013 at 11:19pm
 
Whipartist wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:36pm:
I totally agree with Thunder Chief.  The most popular martial arts competition is MMA, not Tae Kwon Do or Boxing.  The reason is that MMA is more inclusive and fits better with the martial spirit, which is to win fights.    

I believe slinging competition should avoid becoming too much of a standardized sport which detracts from the interest in the sling as a primative weapon by making it into a mere golf club...

...I believe throwing distances should include a round at 40 meters or more as well as shorter distances.  Keeping ranges overly short for all rounds ignores the potential for the longer ranges slings are capable of and it rewards those who put inadequate power into their technique.  

I am interested in the sling as the primative weapon it is.  Accuracy and power at range were the goals of our ancestors and they should be our goals as well.  

I do believe ammo can be standardized in quality if a selection of weights are used.  But I believe the best would be to just keep using well selected stones.

I am opposed to uses of non-weaponized ammo of any weight, just as I wouldn't want to participate in an archery competition that used suction cups on the tips of the arrows.  Slings are primative weapons in which the potentials are as of yet unknown.  Let's not choke out the possibility that free and open competitions might provide to someone who's very skilled the opportunity to influence the future of slinging through the success of their chosen combination of technique, sling and ammo.  

Anyway, my two cents.



Finally a voice of reason. Where have you been?

A sling is a weapon, period. You can PC it all you want and call it a 'tool' or a toy but it's a weapon. I've been around this community for a year but have been slinging for nearly 40. Up until a year ago I had no idea slinging could be found in so many cultures and with it, so much variety.

Trying to cubby-hole slinging into categores and rankings and standardization of techniques, sling construction and ammunition seems to just take away from the variety, freedom and spirit of what I personally find in slinging. Now it just seems like Too many rules, too much politics and arguments over the minuscule.

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Reply #93 - Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:21am
 
Rat Man wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:09am:
  I believe that we're all in agreement that a standard target and standard distances make sense.  Why not have two classes.  Do one your way, with a standard pouch and ammo and run it side by side with an unlimited class like some of us have suggested, where just the target and distances are standard.   The standardized class would be less confusing to and easier for beginner slingers.  The unlimited class might be more fun and interesting for more experienced slingers.  I'd probably try my luck in both classes.
   

I could hitch my wagon to this team. Simple and straight forward.
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Reply #94 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:53am
 
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Slings are primative weapons in which the potentials are as of yet unknown.


Actually the potential is extremely well known.
And while slings were used as weapons of war for a couple of thousand years - they've always been used - even today - as a shepherds tool.

So no, it's not a pure instrument of war and it never has been, it is very much a tool used to protect and direct flocks of herbivores, drive birds from crops and hunt for food. And those uses are older and far more extensive than the sling as a weapon of mass warfare.

Anyway that's just background.

Target and distance are the only things it's possible to realistically standardise at the moment. So lets just stick to that.

What we could do with is a simple and cheap to construct, set of plans for a portable balearic target.

Any takers ?
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Reply #95 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:53am:
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What we could do with is a simple and cheap to construct, set of plans for a portable balearic target.

Any takers ?

Perhaps a sturdy wooden frame made from endangered mahogany and a 2cm thick diana made of copper, all gilded with generous amounts of gold leaf?
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Re: World Standards of Slinging
Reply #96 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:50pm
 
Donnerschlag wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Curious Aardvark wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:53am:
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What we could do with is a simple and cheap to construct, set of plans for a portable balearic target.

Any takers ?

Perhaps a sturdy wooden frame made from endangered mahogany and a 2cm thick diana made of copper, all gilded with generous amounts of gold leaf?

NAH, I think make the Diana out of 1/2 inch  plywood( if the stone does not leave a signifigant dent or remove paint, it does not count), maybe spray-painted neon pink. make frame PVC or whatever, as long as it is a certian size. 
Or, how bout magnesium alloy frame, and then maybe solid gold for the actual Diana, how bout 1.5 inches thick for a graunteed stop, gold is soft, so it should preserve indents will.
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Re: World Standards of Slinging
Reply #97 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
Donnerschlag wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Curious Aardvark wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:53am:
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What we could do with is a simple and cheap to construct, set of plans for a portable balearic target.

Any takers ?

Perhaps a sturdy wooden frame made from endangered mahogany and a 2cm thick diana made of copper, all gilded with generous amounts of gold leaf?


And that's helpful, how exactly ?

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Reply #98 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:56pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:53pm:
Donnerschlag wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Curious Aardvark wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:53am:
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What we could do with is a simple and cheap to construct, set of plans for a portable balearic target.

Any takers ?

Perhaps a sturdy wooden frame made from endangered mahogany and a 2cm thick diana made of copper, all gilded with generous amounts of gold leaf?


And that's helpful, how exactly ?


It would look pretty  Sad
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Reply #99 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 4:56pm
 
lol - yeah but completely bypasses the 'cheap and simple' tag.

Pretty is optional Smiley

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Reply #100 - Mar 7th, 2013 at 7:54am
 
Cheap an easy? Cut a door in half and put a garbage can lid dead center. These could be practice ones while the actual competition "model" we could just take a real Diana and backboard. That would keep us in line with the Balearic league. Same target different rules!
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Reply #101 - Mar 7th, 2013 at 8:20pm
 
Tomas wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 7:54am:
Cheap an easy? Cut a door in half and put a garbage can lid dead center. These could be practice ones while the actual competition "model" we could just take a real Diana and backboard. That would keep us in line with the Balearic league. Same target different rules!

Um...... Where on earth are we going to get a lot of doors?
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Reply #102 - Mar 7th, 2013 at 10:08pm
 
squirrelslinger wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 8:20pm:
Tomas wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 7:54am:
Cheap an easy? Cut a door in half and put a garbage can lid dead center. These could be practice ones while the actual competition "model" we could just take a real Diana and backboard. That would keep us in line with the Balearic league. Same target different rules!

Um...... Where on earth are we going to get a lot of doors?

I take it he meant you could just improvise something that would work for the backboard. The door's just an example


I like what Timu's suggesting though: just improvise something for personal/informal use if on a budget, and use a properly-made one for official use. It sounds like a better approach than trying to invent one standardized jack-of-all-trades that somehow satisfies all of the following: easy to make, cheap, portable, and yet somehow sturdy enough to last against dense ammo.
Even an old carpet/rug with a target spray-painted on and hung from something like a clothesline (like Dan's setup) would be a fine practice target for newbies, as long as it meets the dimensions and height.
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Reply #103 - Mar 7th, 2013 at 10:18pm
 
Yep, I've made a couple Balearic targets from carpet. I make them a little bit wider because sometimes they fold in a bit when you hang them, but they are almost exactly the same.

Its also convient that the year I started using back stops (2012) was one of the most catastrophic years in the North East for floods in the past 30 years so a lot of basements flooded and there were free carpets everywhere.  Smiley

There are probably other sources too thought that don't rely on unusually inclament weather.   Wink
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Reply #104 - Mar 7th, 2013 at 11:22pm
 
Dan wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 10:18pm:
Yep, I've made a couple Balearic targets from carpet. I make them a little bit wider because sometimes they fold in a bit when you hang them, but they are almost exactly the same.

Its also convient that the year I started using back stops (2012) was one of the most catastrophic years in the North East for floods in the past 30 years so a lot of basements flooded and there were free carpets everywhere.  Smiley

There are probably other sources too thought that don't rely on unusually inclament weather.   Wink

Haha Great timing!
I imagine a good place to check would be apartment complexes. You'd be surprised by how often they have to change the carpeting out.  Tongue
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