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Re: Another "medieval" sword.
Reply #15 - Jan 10th, 2012, 7:41am
 
Falchions were heavy short swords, like even beefier machetes or more modern kopes. Instead of being thin and pointy to pierce armor, falchions were large and heavy toward the point to break armor. Early falchions looked like huge butcher knives, but later they started getting that spike head. One theory is that the flares on the head were decorations borrowed from the feathers (the back of the point of a sword) of Turkish sabers. I think the spikes were a decoration, but I don't think that Turkish contact has anything to do with them. They just add more weight to the sword which makes it an even more effective breaker.
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Re: Another "medieval" sword.
Reply #16 - Jan 10th, 2012, 8:44am
 
My opinion is that these spikes are due to the smithing.  
Since you need to improve the weight on that end, you have to amass metal there; creating those spikes is a method to both amass the metal, and also provide the weapon with piercing points.
Even if this is to be tested, I believe that these spikes would be useful in piercing a mail armor, as well as to catch an opponent's vest and unbalance him.
By the way, there are many shapes for flachions: my one, as Masi said, looks like a cleaver, and its design is one of the earliest.
In this very interesting site: http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/maciejowski_images_32.htm you can scroll through the Maciejowski Bible's miniatures.  
It's a book from 1240's, and shows plenty of Medieval weapon, clothes, tools and such.
Judging by how soldiers use their weapons, it seems that almost any kind of sword was used for slashing, as well as axes, while rare maces are used for blows, and piercing was done using spears!
A very great resource, indeed - there's also David slinging at Goliath  Cheesy
 

 
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Reply #17 - Jan 12th, 2012, 7:12pm
 
Perhaps i'm being overly pedantic here but what you've made Mauro is technically a knife not a sword. Obviously length is a factor but also that the hilt is made of two pieces riveted to the tang rather than a tang enclosed by a handle and a pommel fixed by peening. The germans also had falchions but called it a messer meaning a knife. Even the ones used for combat were the gross or krieg messer and were as long as one handed swords or longer. Typically they were not considered a knightly weapon like the sword more a hunter's or weapon of the common man. Still terrifying though as choppers and thrusters. I'll see if i can find some combat images from Talhoffer tomorrow.
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Re: Another "medieval" sword.
Reply #18 - Jan 12th, 2012, 8:34pm
 
Short swords like the wakizashi can be less than 2/3 of a meter total and some swords traditionally have full tangs with handle slabs, the szabla of Poland being one. They were designed to have replaceable slabs: rough, carved wood for fighting and jewel encrusted ivory for dress. The Messer was a single edge long sword, the blade on a Messer is the same length as an entire falchion, albeit narrower so that it isn't so heavy that it's unweildly.
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Reply #19 - Jan 13th, 2012, 4:02am
 
You're both right, I posted these pictures here only because I didn't want to add a new thread to the forum  Smiley
 
The only thing I disagree (a bit) is that falchions or gross messer were considered as a common man's weapon rather than a knight one: there's a XVth Century falchion in England which owner was one of the Medici family  Shocked and there're some images (even if not so numerous) of mounted units (knights?) using falchions - even if none of them has the "cleaver" looking of my one, such as these two...
 
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It'd be great to see your Talhoffer!!!
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Reply #20 - Jan 13th, 2012, 4:10am
 
Techniques for langes messer (essentially a falchion) from Talhoffer. The hand being chopped off is an image that stays in the mind!
 
http://youtu.be/bWISsk0cy74
 
 
And I stand corrected. A messer was probably a common mans weapon whereas a falchion, also a falchion is indeed a sword, a simple google picture search shows the pommel and peened tang the messer lacks. I was conflating the two. I was going more on the blade shape and length I guess. Truly a terrifying weapon! Here's a YT clip of test cutting with one. The cutting technique is ok, some stepping before the blade arrives but way (!) better than the overpowered cuts shown on the Cold Steel vids.
 
 
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Reply #21 - Jan 13th, 2012, 4:39am
 
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Reply #22 - Jan 13th, 2012, 6:11am
 
Yes, these weapons were impressive!
Imagine to fight with a longer machete  Cool
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