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Mar 24th, 2011 at 5:33pm
 
Sometimes has surprised to all of us the humming that an elongated or irregular sling projectile has made, and we have thought about the possibility of designing an aerophonic missile, that is to say, a sound producer projectile like the  whistling  arrows.  Nevertheless, there is not archaeological or historical evidence (I do not know them at least) of the existence of a projectile like that, in spite of existing projectiles of very special and strange forms, but that respond to other ballistic functions, to economy or simplicity of construction. I have tried replicas  of glandes that one could imagine as aerophones, but they emit a weak humming, having to conclude that its design was fortuitous or based on economy criteria, like the hemiglandes or those made by hammering and irregular shape. So, apparently do not exist specific sling aerophonic projectiles, which could have been used in war to send signals or to bring about panic in the enemy troops, (we can imagine a rain of whistling glandes falling over they), either in agriculture and cattle ranch to frighten birds from seeded fields or predators on the prowl. That warns us either of the difficulty of its construction or more likely of its little effectiveness for the tried aim. Nevertheless, even as an entertainment, it would be attractive to throw whistling projectiles by the same reason that we made crack the strap of the sling to enjoy the sensation of the weapon power.
I would like to go at a thorough project of construction and experimentation of aerophonic projectiles in this forum,  giving besides continuity to several previous works on the matter that have been posted here. The task of design and experimentation is very wide and requires the collaboration of enough people to try variations of the designs and to imagine other new ones, since a single person does not have generally sufficient time to do it alone.

From the point of view of the acoustic theory I have seen two main possibilities of design:

Type 1:
Aerophone of internal vibration, in which the projectile has a cavity where the vibration of the air takes place and therefore the sound. Thus are constructed the whistling arrows, putting in head an aerophone type whistle or spherical cavity with several holes. But on the contrary that you shoot an arrow, with a straight and stable flight that allows the regular entrance of the air by the holes of the whistle, a sling projectile is not easy to orient point-first of permanent way, nor to secure a perfect alignment of the axis of the projectile with the trajectory. That would be the first challenge to surpass, to acquire a perfect technique (and the sling and the suitable shape of projectile) to secure consistent launchings. The point-first technique is well known and has been discussed enough in the forum years ago, but what we looked for now it is an extreme perfection of this technique. On the other hand, to tune a musical aerophone instrument, like a flute, ocarina, etc, is a delicate process in which any small variation in the design, size of the holes, etc., can spoil the result. For that reason it would be necessary to design carefully aerophonic projectiles type 1, doing numerous tests until securing a good design.

Type 2:
Aerophone of external vibration, in which the shape of the projectile and its movement produce eddies and disturbances in the air doing it to vibrate and to emit sound. It is the principle of bull-roarer, in which the combination of the displacement of the apparatus and its spinning, perpendicular to each other, create in the air vortices of sound. The movements of the sling projectile are similar, since it moves in its trajectory and simultaneously spin,  but is necessary that both movements are perpendicular one to other, like in the bull-roarer. The technique that we have to use is  the contrary to point-first, having to release the projectile with its axis perpendicular to the trajectory, which is equally easy to obtain with a position of the palm downwards in the instant of release, and not forwards like in the point-first.
There are nevertheless some important differences between bull-roarer and the aerophonic projectile type 2, since the spinning of the bull-roarer is autogenerated when moving in the trajectory, and the spinning of the sling projectile is produced by the sling in the launching, more energetic than the first. On the other hand, bull roarer is simply an aerophone and nothing else, but our projectile must be first of all a projectile, that is to say, able to produce a good impact and reach. We are not going to try to throw a bull-rorarer with the sling by the simple fact that it sounds well. Our projectile must be small and of similar relative proportions to a bull-rorarer, a sort of elongated and flat glans, but of good weight (lead, steel). The pitch will be more high and continuous, since the spin of the projectile do not invert its sense like in the bull-roarer.

I am making and testing different designs and the affair seems promising, although at the moment the sound is not too spectacular. Some conclusions, rather obvious, are:

- Wide designs produce lower tones than the narrow ones and they suffer much more the air drag, disabling a good reach and a precise trajectory.

- Material like terra-cotta or stone sounds well but the trajectories and the reach are very bad since the air push them to unexpected trajectories. The lead, and even the steel, with its great inertia, makes the air to vibrate without modifying its trajectory.

- The best design I´ve found till now is the rectangular, of length/width ratio around 7/1, and not too thin if it is made of lead, since thin designs bend the lead projectile in the flight due to the vibration of the air. As far as the weight, I have experimented with light weights, like glandes from 30 to 50 gr., mainly by economy since all projectiles are generally lost.

-There are many designs to try and could work very well typical forms of bull-roarer like the rhombic one, the oval one, the dentiform, etc.

-The projectiles of type 2 are easier to make and cheaper than those of type 1, although the sound that they will produce is probably more weak.

-Besides type 1 and 2 projectiles, it´s very possible than others approaches to problem could be made, and so  it would be very interesting that those who have had experiences with buzzing projectiles tell them here, as well as the shape of the projectiles, to glimpse different solutions.
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Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 5:46pm
 

I thought that the large number of ancient sling bullets with holes or pits in them were intended to create sound:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_resu...

I tried this with a clay sling bullet and it remained stubbornly silent. Such is science, it is still a useful result.

I have looked a great deal at whistling arrows, I am  confident I could produce a whistling sling projectile, this is on my to-do list.

Whistling arrows were used for communication in Asian armies but not in the West. Those arrows drew attention to themselves by the sound, but the message they carried was conveyed by sight: They were used to direct troop movements and archery barrages i.e. move/shoot to where this arrow goes.

The poor visibility of a sling projectile is a distinct disadvantage to this purpose. You would hear it but it would be difficult to see and hence act upon.

For psychological effect, , do not forget the sound that sling stones make when they hit something, easily audible a hundred yards away. Arrows land almost silently by comparison. A barrage of sling stones would make such an awful racket that any extra noise-making ability is hardly necessary for terrorizing your enemies.
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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 3:02am
 
I'm also very interested in the topic,and made a dozen of prototypes without getting exactly what I wanted ,but once I was quite close,and I'm willing to test and contribute,cooperate.I've been experimenting in the type 1 and wish to continue on the same path as I started to get close to a result.DM :some glandes form holes in them due to shrinkage of lead while solidifying,due to overheated lead or quite cold mold,not sure which.This occurs where the pouring channel is located.Obviously some glandes have holes drilled in them,probably for whistling.This is the design which kind of worked,but need to be tuned,interior cavity dimension and holes diameter ratio adjusted,too make a high pitched whistling,it's basically the same as whistling arrows,just bipointed form.The edge of the holes must be sharp and precisely made to create vibration.Ceramic and lead could be used to manufacture.
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:29am
 
My current untested hypothetical projectile:

Two cup shaped wooden pieces that make the front and back halves of a hollow body. The rim of the front half has a number of gaps in it, like the top of a castle wall. The rim of the rear half is sharpened to match these gaps. Together they create the whistling holes. The front half (and possibly the rear half as well for balance) is ballasted with lead. You still need to leave plenty of space inside for the resonant chamber.   
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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 5:23am
 
Interesting topic, as I got interested in whistles, lately made several so called shepherd´s whistles l, a type of whistle that produces sound the same way the one in a teakettle does.
What holds me back in experimenting with noise making ammo as complex as for instance Jlasud her proposes is the work involved in making it in combination with the high probability loosing/destroying the proto types on the first try.
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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 5:58am
 
Maybe something like this ... but made out of clay or other rectangular mace heads
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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 6:37am
 
David, remember when you, I and CA were slinging at Danebury? We were achieving some good whistles there . I figure it was the consistent shapes of the stones in the air.
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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 6:52am
 

Those were some great days  Cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW912BD9gZM

Buzzing or humming can be had from any irregular shape due to the spin, but whistling arrows take it to the next level:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CvI03bTZM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC6pxAdcDsQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5REg4leddqM

Actually, look at the last one, imagine a short dowel through the center with some Milliput nose and tail cones moulded on.... easy, cheap and pretty much guaranteed to work!
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Reply #8 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:23am
 
Hi Hondero,

take a Glandes with a deep groove. In this groove you stick or clamp a piece of string. The string should stand on both sides about 1 cm out.
This should mutter a deep one generate. The more stiffly the string, the better.
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Reply #9 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 8:51am
 
Actually ordinary shaped glandes make one helluva racket.
You just need to be on the receiving end to hear them .

One lead glande coming at you sounds like a swarm of angry bees.
I'm not recommending anyone actually try this.
But I have done it and survived, so I know Smiley.

A whistling sling bullet would be pretty cool.
Can't you get whistling arrow heads ? Maybe use similiar design for sling bullets.
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Reply #10 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 12:11pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 8:51am:
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Can't you get whistling arrow heads ? Maybe use similiar design for sling bullets.

Yes you can, the Japanese have a tradition of using such arrows for festive purposes I think.
Seen those arrows I think it is unlikely to use that design for sling bullets.
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Reply #11 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
I've had some success making 'test' projectiles by starting with a solid glande. Drill a hole to form the resonant cavity, either right through, or blind - hole at right angles to the intended direction of flight.

Form the edge, and also close off the cavity, by taping across the open end(s) of the hole. The edge of the tape forms the edge of the whistle. It's easy to adjust, and it is not necessary to cry when the edge is damaged.

Although I've not been able to verify it, I suspect that often such glandes whistle, it's just that they do so at too high a frequency to hear. It may be the hardest part is getting the system to speak in it's lowest (fundamental) mode - as the organ builders would put it. With the messy airflow around a glande in flight it can't be easy.

Like others here I have a variety of untested fantasies for making such things Grin

For signalling, I'm not sure that one needs to worry about alignment. The pierced ping-pong ball can speak as it tumbles, giving a nice modulation of the pure whistle. The triangular holes can be made roughly equilateral, so that each orifice has three chances to speak depending on the direction the thing is moving in.
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Reply #12 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 12:26pm
 
Jaegoor wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:23am:
Hi Hondero,

take a Glandes with a deep groove. In this groove you stick or clamp a piece of string. The string should stand on both sides about 1 cm out.
This should mutter a deep one generate. The more stiffly the string, the better.

Jaegoor,

I'm not sure I fully understand. Is the groove an essential aspect of this, and if so in which direction does it face?
It seems like the strings(or ribbons?) might act like a reed, possibly beating against the body of the glande. Somewhat analogous to flapping flags etc.

Is that the idea?

I'm also reminded (a little bit Smiley) of the unari used on some Japanese kites, although these are usually rather large I think.
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Reply #13 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 12:56pm
 
David, excellent the collection of British M. of glandes with holes. I also have a reduced number of them and have observed them very closely. In my opinion there are not acoustic holes as are not connected to an interior cavity, and the majority are simply accidents in the solidifying of the lead, how Jlasud says, or holes due to impurities and dregs of the lead that finally are detached. An irregular mouth of the hole shows this origin. A few of them are actually drilled and I have heard diverse interpretations about, like the hole is the remainder of some system of suspension to fix them to the clothes, in the way of the distinguishing standards or medals that wear the military of the different arms. Some slingers, according to that, could take a glans punctured in its clothes like identification of its warlike category. Also it could be an infantile or feminine ornament. Others  says that are holes done recently for extraction of samples of the lead for their analysis and identification of origin, since normally the lead appears mixed in small proportion with other metals, even with silver. The certain is that it continues being a mysterious subject.
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Reply #14 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:15pm
 
Wanderer, it can be a groove, or just a hole.
If one pulls small strings by the hole, these generate in the flight a deep tone.
It is also to be connected possibly several Glandes in this manner with each other.
An actual weapon against riders.
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