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Trebuchets are drug paraphenalia
Jan 28th, 2011 at 4:29am
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 7:27am
 
I just read about this in the newpaper and was about to make a post about it. Very funny. Grin
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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 10:36am
 
If the DEA shuts down your tunnels....     I must say, it doesn't look like a very good trebuchet.. Maybe they need to watch more Mythbusters or Punkin' Chunkin' vids.....
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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 1:18pm
 
Bikewer wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 10:36am:
If the DEA shuts down your tunnels....     I must say, it doesn't look like a very good trebuchet.. Maybe they need to watch more Mythbusters or Punkin' Chunkin' vids.....

It's lame. But it got the goods over the fence, which is all it was asked to do. Big 60 feet, from what I read. And it was detected fast and confiscated by the authorities. Maybe it was a decoy to get the Mexican Feds away from the really important event.
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Reply #4 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 1:31pm
 
given that it was powered by bungee cords (what it looks like) and not a free weight.
is it still a trebuchet ?

i do like the idea though.
(while not advocating drug smuggling in any way Smiley
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Reply #5 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 4:12pm
 
Stupid and lame but funny.  The smugglers lost a nice Hummer in the process.
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Reply #6 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:14am
 
Flying high indeed Grin
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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 1:23pm
 
Trebuchet or catapult? Depends on the definition of each. You could call a treb a type of catapult. Some say it's typified by the counterweight while others (myself included) say that the arm being a Class 1 lever is what counts. The original trebs were staff slings pivoting over a framework, which are now called traction trebuchets. http://members.iinet.net.au/~rmine/htt/htt01.html

It looks to me like the Mexican Feds are using their Hummer to haul away the smugglers' SUV and trailer.
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Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2011 at 2:17pm
 
I have to agree with HurlinThom and Curious_Aardvark. I think it constitutes as a catapult, not a trebuchet, because I think trebuchets are defined by their hanging mass system. It can be pretty speculative, though. Last night we got into a discussion about whether a ballista (essentially a giant crossbow) was a catapult, or a seperate weapon. Is a catapult a specific weapon, or would it encompass most of the projectile seige weapons?
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2011 at 6:10pm
 
What constitutes a catapult or a trebuchet is dependent on how you define the terms. The earliest use of the term catapult was the Greek katapeltes, which referred to a crossbow-type machine. Approximate meaning, beater down of shields, used to break up formations of spear-and-shield men. Latin catpulta was a dart-firing ballista. The Roman onager, also called manganum or mangonel was a later development, and not called a catapult, though that's what the modern conception looks like. Actually the cartoon/Hollywood catapults would probably not function in the real world.

A trebuchet can be defined by the counterweight or by it having a Class 1 lever as an arm: force at one end moves the other end, with the fulcrum between. What is called a traction trebuchet is operated by people pulling on ropes, not by counterweight. To further confuse things the French have three terms, trebuchet means one with a suspended counterweight, mangonneau being one with the weight fixed directly to the arm and perrier being the traction trebuchet.

And the Arabs called a trebuchet al-manjaniq, their version of mangonel.

And mangonel comes from the Greek Manganon, a general term for siege engine.

And in British English a catapult is what Americans call a slingshot, which has no sling.

Anyhow, you can see that there's a lot of flexbility in the terms. To a certain extent it depends on the historical period or country in question.



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Reply #10 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 8:41pm
 
I tip my hat to you, Hurlinthom. You are a worthy scholar =P
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Reply #11 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 9:50pm
 
GWW, thanks for not saying I'm a know-it-all.  Wink
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