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Last European full-time bow hunters?
Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:53pm
 
Who were the last people to hunt full time with bows in Europe? I know that "bow culture" disappeared from Finland in 1750s or little later and was substituted by "crossbow culture". These people hunted only with bows or sometimes with a spear.
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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:03pm
 
Last European full-time bow hunters? The answer is only one: Look for one of the Polish historical ethnic group, called "Kurpie".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurpie

They were the best archers (they weren't popular, but believe me - they were better than English medieval archers...) in the history of Europe.
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Reply #2 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:21pm
 
Slinger93 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:03pm:
The answer is only one: Look for one of the Polish historical ethnic group, called "Kurpie".


Are there evidence of continious bow tradition from medieval times to modern days? Is bow hunting their number one method of catching food or just a "hobby"?
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Reply #3 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:40pm
 
Mangrove wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:21pm:
Slinger93 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:03pm:
The answer is only one: Look for one of the Polish historical ethnic group, called "Kurpie".


Are there evidence of continious bow tradition from medieval times to modern days? Is bow hunting their number one method of catching food or just a "hobby"?



I don't know what is the situation of bow in "Kurpie" in modern times, but in Poland, it is ILLEGAL to hunt with bow, so I think, that they are not using bows in modern times to hunt.
Interesting example of Kurpie bow hunters is, when King Charles X Gustav of Sweden, travelled by Kurpie forests in the time of Polish-Swedish War, called "Potop" ("Deluge"), Kurpie archers almost killed him, by their bows (bows, which were generally used for hunting...).


I am sure, that Kurpie, used bows as a weapon to kill people (enenemies) up to the Napoleonic Era, but for hunting, up to the end of XIXcentury/start of XXth century - Isolated cases of using bow for hunting happened up to the time of World War II.
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Reply #4 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 4:04pm
 
Slinger93 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:40pm:
I am sure, that Kurpie, used bows as a weapon to kill people (enenemies) up to the Napoleonic Era, but for hunting, up to the end of XIXcentury/start of XXth century - Isolated cases of using bow for hunting happened up to the time of World War II.


If we could just get a confirmation for this piece of information. Do you know any books or articles regarding their hunting methods?
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Reply #5 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 5:12pm
 
Mangrove wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 4:04pm:
Slinger93 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 3:40pm:
I am sure, that Kurpie, used bows as a weapon to kill people (enenemies) up to the Napoleonic Era, but for hunting, up to the end of XIXcentury/start of XXth century - Isolated cases of using bow for hunting happened up to the time of World War II.


If we could just get a confirmation for this piece of information. Do you know any books or articles regarding their hunting methods?


I've got a lot of books/articles/fragments of literature, but only in Polish...
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Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 2:04am
 
Slinger93 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 5:12pm:
I've got a lot of books/articles/fragments of literature, but only in Polish...


Could you name some of the book titles? Also if you tell more about their bow designs during the 1800s.
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Re: Last European full-time bow hunters?
Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2010 at 6:07am
 
I have several accounts that Mansi people, rather close relatives of Finns, used bow similar to other Finno-Ugric people at least until the first years of the twentieth century. The Finno-Ugrian Society has published Artturi Kannisto's notes from his 1901-1906 trip to Mansi people in book "Artturi Kanniston kansatieteellisiä muistiinpanoja 1901-1906". It contains a good description of their arrows but only few lines of the bows but it's clear that the design has remained the same for many thousands of years due of the few suitable tree species living in the Northern Europe.
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