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Reply #60 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 9:30am
 
Many thanks, Mauro. You could post it here, or send it to me by personal message. if the date is secure it's the earlier archaeological evid. I know for sling bullets (there are a few Myc. things from Cyprus, but they are not necessarily sling bullets rather than weights)
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Reply #61 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 6:14pm
 
Hallo Thearos!
even in Italy - thus I don't remember when, exactly - have been found a few lead bullets with holes in the edges. Some archaeologists think that they are bullets, some other that they are weights, some other that they are ex-voto.
Howewer, I'm sending you a PM with the bibliography, that is too long to post it here  Undecided
I hope you'll enjoy, and keep searching for other studies about this argument!
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Reply #62 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 6:19pm
 
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Reply #63 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 8:19pm
 
Thanks, Mauro, for the general bibliography on Gravisca. But what is the reference for a bullet mould in C5th context, among the long list of titles ?
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Reply #64 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 8:32pm
 
Oh Thearos! I understand now!
There're references about the bullet "tree" in this publication:

Gravisca 16 = F. Colivicchi, Gravisca. Scavi nel santuario greco, 16. I materiali minori (con contributi
di G. Gorini – le monete e C. Sorrentino – i reperti osteologici), Bari, 2004.
page 65, picture n° 204.

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Reply #65 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 8:40pm
 
A quick Google search for "Gravisca piombo ghiande missile" reveals in fourth place an article by L. Fiorini and  M. Torelli in a journal called Facta, 2007. I reproduce his picture of the "bullet tree". The reference is Gravisca 16 (Bari, 2004), p. 65.


All thanks to Mauro to pointing this out. But I need to look up the publication-- does this date to the early C5th, like so much else in the "foundry' area of the Gravisca shrine which Mauro mentions ?


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Reply #66 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 8:41pm
 
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Reply #67 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 5:45am
 
I looked up Gravisca 16. There is one single find of a sling bullet, and the "colata di fusione", the lead pour "tree" from a sling bullet mould.

From the publication, I can see where it's been found (sector AB), perhaps the year (1977, if that's what the inventory means). But there's no stratigraphical datation; on the contrary, the publication refers to late Classical and Hellenistic parallels (Olynthos, Peiraieus...).

The shrine area has finds from C7th to late Hellenistic. I suppose these sling bullets could date from any date within this period; at least, it's not clear from the publication when to date them.

Why does this matter ? Just to establish that these are not necessarily the earliest securely dated lead sling bullets, and not necessarily from a C5th or early C5th context.
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Reply #68 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 7:44am
 
Yes, neither tha article I am reading is very clear.
It says that the "tree" has been found in the "Y" building, near the Aphrodite templum.

A small bronze figure of the Goddess has been found near the "tree", and they dated it at about 580 a.C., according to the style and some reorganizations of the building.

But this date does not directly concern the "tree", and for some reasons it seems quite high to me  Undecided
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Reply #69 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 9:25am
 
Thanks for that, v. helpful
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