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Feb 2nd, 2010 at 8:57pm
 
I'm teaching a class on the Medieval Sling this weekend. I googled Hedeby Sling and went to images and found this forum

http://www.aarhus-middelalder.dk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3877&sid=e734a9bf13d287a0...

There was a post by forumite Mikkel and it showed the actual Hedeby artifact. (Course it looks like the forum is in Swedish ??)

Actuall Pic is
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z111/MickeDahlstrom/Slunga.jpg

Anybody feel like a quick translation from Swedish to English??? Or whatever this language is to English???

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Reply #1 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 5:27am
 
It' a sling pouch Smiley
What's more it's been attached with loops !
Some sensible oldtime swedes there Smiley
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Reply #2 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 8:22am
 

Very good find! I have passed it onto our local Viking group, they are working up to including slinging in their demonstrations.
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Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 9:24am
 
How do you attach the pouch to the cords ? (no holes in pouch ?)
Why is the pouch slit into strips ?
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Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 1:18pm
 
This artifact dates from the 8th century, Just becase we can't see them in this ( Less than Optimum) pic doesn't mean they are not there. Slingbadger has the opinion that maybe a pebble was placed in the tab and the cords wraped around that and tied.

From working with My replica the strips cause the pouch to mold to the projectile better. It's another way of getting a cup like pouch

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Thearos wrote on Feb 3rd, 2010 at 9:24am:
How do you attach the pouch to the cords ? (no holes in pouch ?)
Why is the pouch slit into strips ?

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Reply #5 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 12:30pm
 
Winkleried, I did a fast translation, to see if i could.  Swedish to English it is
Slings
Among the distance weapons goes, beside the crossbow, hand bow and firearms, also the slings.  Six slings, so called band slings, has been found on Helgelandsholmen.  A band sling consisted of part by a sling cup, the pouch where the projectile was placed, and part by two bands or straps, which was attached to the sling cup.  The length of the straps varied during the history.  The length was also depending on the strength and ability of the user.

One of the straps had a loop.  When throwing, the thrower, if right handed, placed the loop over one or more fingers of the right hand, usually the middle and/or the ring finger.At the same time he pinches the other strap between his thumb and index finger in such a way that he can let go of it fast.  The left hand grabs the sling cup.  The arms are lifted so that the left hand with the sling cup and the projectile is in front of the head and the right hand with the strap ends is behind.  The sling is stretched out, and the right hand begins to turn in an an horizontal movement, while at the same time the other hand drops the sling cup.  When the slinger gets the speed up,he releases the loop-less strap, right when the projectile is poised to fly toward the target.  The difficulty in the throw is to to decide when the right moment comes.
To be continued...
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Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 12:37pm
 

Thats great!  Cool
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Reply #7 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 12:41pm
 
David Morningstar wrote on Feb 4th, 2010 at 12:37pm:
Thats great!  Cool



Well done timann!
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Reply #8 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 12:56pm
 
The slings from Helgelandsholmen are between 13 and 21 cm long and 5,5 and 8,5 cm wide.  Their shape is either a drawn-out ovoid or rhomboid, and the ends has holes cut out for the straps, which has in no case been found.
The straps has, at least on one sling, been secured by a whipping laid outside the straps knot to the sling cup(fig 240).
The sling cup has been given slits or (in one case) a hole, to make the projectile stay in place, this construction was used during the middle ages and can be confirmed in ethnographic material. 
The found slings gives a coarse and not particularly well made impression.  They do not need to have been weapons of war, but might as well have been made for keeping vermin off cabbage fields and gardens, for hunting or as a toy.
The sling was as a weapon associated with low social status.  This, in combination with the need for the slinger to be agile and usually not in contact with the enemy,  meant he usually lacked heavy body protection.
The projectile could be natural or worked stone, molded lead projectiles incendiaries of different kind.  Well into the 1500s the sling was used for this, by throwing grenades.  By then a more effective type was used, the so called staff sling, principally a band sling attached to a staff, which increased the arms throwing capacity.

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Reply #9 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 7:38pm
 
Those are large pouches. I wonder if they were sling staffs?
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Reply #10 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 6:37pm
 
Could be. Another possibility is that they were trying to get more bang per swing. Lose range quickly but ya dang sure don't wanna be the impact target. Two examples of this are the oversized pouches used by the palestinian Infatadah slingers, and if ya read Sr. Santiagos article about the Manchegan Sling, the original used a 17 cm split pouch.

Next weekend if I get some spare time I might make one with the reported dimensions and let you folks know how it handled.

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slingbadger wrote on Feb 4th, 2010 at 7:38pm:
Those are large pouches. I wonder if they were sling staffs?

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Reply #11 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 10:17am
 
Why does a big pouch hit harder ? More "whang" on release ? (to use a technical term)

yes I too noticed the v. long, rectangular pouches of the Palestinian sling-fighters. There must be a reason-- these are slings fired in anger
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Reply #12 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 11:43am
 
Thearos wrote on Feb 6th, 2010 at 10:17am:
Why does a big pouch hit harder ? More "whang" on release ? (to use a technical term)

yes I too noticed the v. long, rectangular pouches of the Palestinian sling-fighters. There must be a reason-- these are slings fired in anger



because you can put larger ammo in larger pouch? Smiley
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Reply #13 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 12:22pm
 
yes, that makes sense
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 12:16am
 
I measured my replica. It's the one with the dyed jutte cords. The pouch was 14.5 cm long and 5.5 cm wide. Don't have one in the larger size though. the one I have still works good as a hand sling.

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winkleried wrote on Feb 5th, 2010 at 6:37pm:
Could be. Another possibility is that they were trying to get more bang per swing. Lose range quickly but ya dang sure don't wanna be the impact target. Two examples of this are the oversized pouches used by the palestinian Infatadah slingers, and if ya read Sr. Santiagos article about the Manchegan Sling, the original used a 17 cm split pouch.

Next weekend if I get some spare time I might make one with the reported dimensions and let you folks know how it handled.

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slingbadger wrote on Feb 4th, 2010 at 7:38pm:
Those are large pouches. I wonder if they were sling staffs?


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