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Re: Pics of ancient slingers
Reply #30 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 5:30pm
 
Thearos wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 11:20am:
I still think hooked on index, and released from between third and fourth fingers. Try it !


Doubtless it could be done either way and what the artist actually intended to portray may not be possible to ascertain.

What made me notice it in the first place was the previously mentioned photos of Kenyan slingers and also an illustration in a Russian language work on slinging referenced from the homepage.

• Shooting Techniques for the Sling and the Methods for Holding it (in Russian) (english translation)

The text is in Russian which I don't speak, and only partially understand from its similarity to Polish, but I was able to wade through some of it. Amongst others, it shows a two finger grip with loops on index and middle fingers. How the release is accomlished without losing the sling as well may be explained in the text but is beyond me. However the two raised finger grip is very similar to that employed by baseball pitchers. They add to the ball's final velocity by flicking it with their fingertips. If slinging is considered as merely enhanced throwing, there may be scope for incorporating methods used by arguably the world's best throwers into one's technique.
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Reply #31 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 6:13pm
 
Hallo Aussi

thanks for the bookpreferenz.

I speak much better russian than englisch and am in contact with russian reenactor slingers.

Maybe I get this book - could you pls give me the original titel and maybe also the author.

There is no similar book in german with the subjekt slinging.
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Re: Pics of ancient slingers
Reply #32 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 7:16pm
 
The reference is given in "Other Websites", accessible from the homepage.

http://slinging.org/index.php?page=other-websites

Non English Links, towards the bottom of the page. Click on the first entry.

Here's the direct link.

http://www.xlegio.ru/pubs/skobelev/sling1.htm
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Reply #33 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 7:43pm
 
Wow, lots of illustrations.

I'm sure Jaegoor is right, in that the mediaeval picture is selective and meaningful. But I would also argue that military art tries to get "Realien" right, if it's at all realistic and figurative. So in this case, the traction trebuchet, is well represented, within rules and possibilities of Mediaeval art.

No doubt that the figuring of a lowly slinger has a point. But he is (I think) realistically shown-- with shield, and the grip might be realistic. As I said earlier: I've used such a grip, with a sling I wove and assembled so badly that I could hold it no other way: hooked over index, release cord gripped between medius and ring finger.
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Reply #34 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 5:15am
 
Once more: What a versatile weapon/sports item!
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Re: Pics of ancient slingers
Reply #35 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:51am
 
This is the Russkie-talk run through Google translation and cleaned up a bit by me:

Option 4

Both the cords ended loops. The loop of the retention cord went on the middle finger, the release cord on the index finger.
This variant is clearly recorded in the Saxon and medieval miniatures of the British VIII and XIV centuries (Strutt, 1876, 136, 137)
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Reply #36 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 7:01am
 

Also, look at 'TÉCNICA ITALIANA' three-quarters of the way through this document by Hondero:

http://perso.wanadoo.es/hondero/aprendizajetiro.pdf

About the only reason I can think of for preferring this grip is that it would give you reliable backspin when using an underarm lob.
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Reply #37 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 6:59am
 
I will try it at sunday with ottonic shield  Cool

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Reply #38 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 4:25pm
 
You want to shoot with Shield???? Isi
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Re: Pics of ancient slingers
Reply #39 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 4:32pm
 
or use the shield as ammo. Shocked
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Reply #40 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 5:20pm
 
he would like to train with Shield and Sling Cool
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Re: Pics of ancient slingers
Reply #41 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 7:17am
 

Slinging with a shield is easy if it is the type with two straps for forearm and hand.

Hang an ammo bag on your right hand side, take the pouch in your left hand and load it with the right hand like this:

http://www.zinfinium.net/index.php?id=157

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Reply #42 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 2:06am
 
Jaegoor, where did this picture come from????

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Jaegoor wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 2:27pm:
he Slinger on the Trajan column does not show the reality. However, we have developed a technology for Slings and Shields.

Here for you a few traditional pictures

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Reply #43 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 5:56am
 
winkleried wrote on Dec 13th, 2009 at 2:06am:
Jaegoor, where did this picture come from????

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[quote author=Jaegoor link=1257503658/15#22 date=1260214070] Here for you a few traditional pictures


The picture is from the "Liber ad honorem Augusti", by Petrus de Ebulo, a book from 1196 glorifying the rule of the Holy Roman Emperor Heinrich VI. It shows the siege of Salerno (in 1191?) by the emperor who can be seen in the lower part of the image.

The text in Latin and some of the pictures can be seen here http://www.renfroana.150m.com/liberadhonorem.htm

Another picture from the book (not included in the link above) shows a sling held "normally". There is quite a lot of images that show archers, knights and other soldiers, a trebuchet and a fustibal.  
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Re: Pics of ancient slingers
Reply #44 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 5:58am
 
The fustibal.
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do badet er in dem blvote  des ist der helt gemeit
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