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Reply #120 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:51am
 
Hi Leuts,


The Ammo is not too big. There is ammunition in 200 and even 300 gr. I myself often shoot with 200gr.
The small lenses did not become individually shot separate as a Schroot.

And also the colour is very easy red to colour.
Namely with Krapphttp://www.seilnacht.com/Lexikon/Krapp.htm
Many mistake red with purpur
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Reply #121 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:14am
 
TheGoodGuy wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 3:14pm:
Hi everybody, here's a picture of what I think is a roman slinger:
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I like the sling he is using. It looks like an apache to me.
The image is from this website:
http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpose/johnny_shumates_portfolio/default.aspx
There are a lot of other great illustrations over there, check them out! Wink


thats actually a rhodian or greek slinger; whats surprising is that i commented on his portfolio site, i said that would be cool if u made some rhodian slingers,  then 2 pictures of rhodian slingers popped up sometime after i commented
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Reply #122 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:56pm
 
Jabames wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:14am:
thats actually a rhodian or greek slinger 


How do I see that? I mean, where is the difference to other slingers? Is it the colour of the chiton or tunic that tells us he's from the island of the roses?

Or is it the haircut after all?
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Reply #123 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 5:12pm
 
u see the name at the top of the pic? it says greek slinger, if u look around his portfolio u'll find a rhodian slinger too
http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpose/johnny_shumates_portfolio/picture76672.asp...
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Reply #124 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:09pm
 
Jaegoor: the lead bullet is too big for an ancient Greek slinger-- your own experience slinging heavy stones is irrelevant here.

Ancient sling bullets are quite small. Around 100 grams is really the maximum attested. The average is about 30-40 grams. The figures were tabulated by Visscher in his corpus, and also by Manfred Korfmann. Some sling bullets are surprisingly small and light-- e.g. the ones in the name of Agroitas, found at Eretria, are smaller than my thumb.

So: you can sling heavy weights. But ancient slingers choose to sling light. Why ? To achieve very high speeds, and to pack as many projectiles as possible in battle conditions.
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Reply #125 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 6:05am
 
I think this the small balls as a Schroot were shot. This raises the treffer effect considerably.
However, in Spain I clearly saw bigger leads.
Also stones.
The weight for stones in competitions amounts to 200 g
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Reply #126 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 7:24am
 
Some of the heavy leads (100+ grams) might be used for catapults; there is one reference for multiple lead shot in a catapult. But the small lead bullets are probably for the sling. Anyway, to repeat myself: the sling bullet in the pic by Shumate is rather larger than the ancient Greek examples known.
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Reply #127 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:33pm
 
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1282647004/0#0


Very obvious, I guess

(9th picture from above)
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Reply #128 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 11:08pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 5:45pm:
Midway down the picture is a slinger with a shield. Notice the unusual thumbless grip he uses. The release is a simple loop over the index finger. About a year ago someone posted some pictures of slingers in the Kenyan disturbances using this style of release. There seemed to be some controversy that the photos were merely posed and that style of release wouldn't really be practical. However the fine detail on this picture makes me think that it is accurate and not merely artistic license.

I know that Eoraptor holds the release bead between her index and middle fingers. Does anyone on the forum use this loop or other unusual release styles?

I've done it that way for a few slinging sessions when I had a massive blister on my ring finger. It takes a little getting used to, but by the end of a slinging session, I was nearing my normal accuracy levels.

I pretty much have to hold my index finger like in the picture because if I don't hook onto it tightly, the sling will fly off. (and it has.)  Tongue

I tried releasing the loop rather than the release cord, and it didn't work anywhere near as well as releasing the release cord.
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Reply #129 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 11:13pm
 
TheGoodGuy wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 3:14pm:
Hi everybody, here's a picture of what I think is a roman slinger:
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The gland he has says otherwise. Wink
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Reply #130 - Feb 6th, 2011 at 8:50am
 
Jaegoor wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:33pm:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1282647004/0#0


Very obvious, I guess

(9th picture from above)


In this picture from Trajan's column, a slinger throws VERY large stones-- how realistic that is remains open to debate. To give an idea of how small ancient Greek sling bullets are, here's a picture. The thing on the right is the top of a biro / ballpoint pen.
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Reply #131 - Jun 3rd, 2011 at 7:09am
 
Jaegoor wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:51am:
And also the colour is very easy red to colour.
Namely with Krapphttp://www.seilnacht.com/Lexikon/Krapp.htm
Many mistake red with purpur

According to that website, madder (krapp) was first used in the 5th century CE in central europe, and would thus be anachronistic.

Also, from what I've read, purpur was an ox blood red, rather than the purple most people think of.
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Reply #132 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 12:07pm
 
how would someone consistently load and throw holding a shield? was the other hand free? the more I think about it the more I think an ancient army could have been formed from mostly slingers in an english longbow type fashion. I may understand better if I saw an image that showed slingers in context to the whole battle.

does anyone have any ancient americas battle scenes that someone has drawn?
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Re: Pics of ancient slingers
Reply #133 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 2:18pm
 
mossdog427 wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 12:07pm:
how would someone consistently load and throw holding a shield? was the other hand free? the more I think about it the more I think an ancient army could have been formed from mostly slingers in an english longbow type fashion. I may understand better if I saw an image that showed slingers in context to the whole battle.

does anyone have any ancient americas battle scenes that someone has drawn?  


To answer the shield question, here is a video of one of our members (Timann) Slinging with a shield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz0DPMU5hwg
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Reply #134 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 6:03am
 

More slinging with a shield. I'm a bit rubbish at first but the last couple of shots are okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJpLjc8S6c4

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