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Reply #90 - Jul 26th, 2012, 3:47am
 
The neolithic horsehead axe ,shown in reply # 73 is one i would pick for usage. That last horsehead axe looks also very apt for usage.  Ground celts seem to have a wide angle edge,probably long lasting,not so good in cutting. Knapped stone can be thinner,sharper,but i guess they could break,chip much easier.
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Reply #91 - Aug 2nd, 2012, 9:54pm
 
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Reply #92 - Aug 3rd, 2012, 10:32pm
 
jlasud, a fat pecked and ground celt works great for cutting green wood, the thinner ones would be used for light chopping and limbing up trees chopped down with the larger.  The smaller ones were carried for status, plus they worked great for hitting the neighbors in the mouth when they came calling in the middle of the night.  
 
There is a version that would be knapped out and then the blade edge would be ground smooth, it was much quicker to make but not as sturdy as the fully ground oned.  That type showed up just as the first bronze was being smelted so it only lasted for about a thousand years.
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Reply #93 - Aug 5th, 2012, 2:49pm
 
Hm,that makes sense. I guess a 4-5 inch diameter tree is no problem to take down with a good ground celt. I imagine hiting it for like half an hour and it's falling Cheesy
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Reply #94 - Aug 5th, 2012, 2:57pm
 
Actually, chopping down trees with a diameter from 10 to 15 centimeters required around 20 minutes using an amygdala  Smiley
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Reply #95 - Aug 5th, 2012, 3:06pm
 
Amygdala?  part of the brain? or is there something else?
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Reply #96 - Aug 5th, 2012, 3:15pm
 
It's the blue one here: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1291518865/9#9  
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Reply #97 - Aug 5th, 2012, 3:55pm
 
google told me..now it's clear what you meant. Did you cut a 10-15 cm diam. tree in 20 min. with that amygdala,held in your hand? Shocked or was it tied to a handle,like an axe.
With a good handle,and good axehead i guess half an hour is doable. At least that's the time i needed,about 50.000 years ago Wink
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Reply #98 - Aug 5th, 2012, 7:40pm
 
Quote from Mauro Fiorentini on Aug 5th, 2012, 3:15pm:
It's the blue one here: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1291518865/9#9
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The Amygdala: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala  Cheesy
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Reply #99 - Aug 5th, 2012, 10:04pm
 
A pecked and ground ax in a 50-60cm handle, weighing around 4 kg will cut a 10-15 cm tree down in about 5-7 minutes.  A steel ax will cut the same tree in under 1 minute.  And just as a side note, if you try to cut something smaller, you will need a much smaller ax, the smaller tree whips around and robs most of the force when it flexes.  Something the size of a dart shaft can be cut easier and quicker by sawing and chopping with a hand ax than with a pecked and ground ax with a handle.
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Reply #100 - Aug 6th, 2012, 4:27am
 
Quote from xxkid123 on Aug 5th, 2012, 7:40pm:
Quote from Mauro Fiorentini on Aug 5th, 2012, 3:15pm:
It's the blue one here: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1291518865/9#9
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The Amygdala: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala  Cheesy

 
Oh well, then I must say I've never used my amygdala for cutting down trees, but I once eat one, it was the brain of a calf. I also eat his tongue and his eyes which were the most tasty pieces of his head  Cheesy
 
However I used my amygdala, the one made of flint, by helding it in my hand, without handle, just like a saw.
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Reply #101 - Aug 7th, 2012, 5:12pm
 
does a steel tactical hatchet count? if it does, i can take down a tree around 4-5 in in a little over a minute. the axe blade is a little over an inch wide.
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Reply #102 - Aug 8th, 2012, 3:04pm
 
Bill,yea they also used "felling axes" as well as small hatchets,just like we use today,to fit the job.
I guess it's not SO time consuming than as one might think... If only today,they weren't any chainsaws ,just steel axes.
Deforestation would be less of a problem.
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Reply #103 - Aug 8th, 2012, 11:49pm
 
You might be suprised how many trees an experianced ax man can cut per day.  The problem was not cutting down the tree, it was moving the log to where it was needed.  One man could chop down a tree but without draft animals, it would take many men to carry it or drag it.
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Reply #104 - Aug 11th, 2012, 10:17am
 
ground stone celts have been used successfully for thousands of years to take down some of the largest trees on earth. some of the post holes at stonehenge and cahokia, for instance, were over four feet in diameter. the celt differs from a steel axe primarily in the bit (edge) angle and is therefore used in a slightly different manner. where a steel axe chops wood in a '<' shape, taking out triangular chips, the celt chops in a '[' , hitting on two sides of the cut and blasting out rectangular chips. for every thing you ever wanted to know about celts, you should visit Larry Kinsela's site here... http://www.flintknapper.com/NEW%20AXE%20ME%20NO.htm   Larry is pretty much the authority on ground axes, having recreated and used them for decades.
 
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