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jlasud Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Programming stones Posts: 1686 Transilvania Gender:	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #105 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 1:44pm Thanks for all the info,now i have a more clear view of celts work,and about them generally.
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Paleoarts Interfector Viris Spurii Offline it don't mean a thing if you aint got that sling! Posts: 1992 oceanside, CA Gender:	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #106 - Nov 13^th, 2012 at 8:01pm the stone is from the Valley of Fire in Nevada. the handle is clear unfinished maple.
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Atlatlista Ex Member	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #107 - Nov 14^th, 2012 at 12:10am Beauty! Your work is such an inspiration. I need to get back out and finish all the projects I've got lying around.
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Bill Skinner Slinging.org Moderator Forum Moderator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 1417	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #108 - Nov 14^th, 2012 at 9:55am I know you can peck and grind but you also use power tools for some of your celts, (something about eating regularly, I think) are you using some type of silt stone or is it some type of hard stone that can't normally be pecked and ground?
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Paleoarts Interfector Viris Spurii Offline it don't mean a thing if you aint got that sling! Posts: 1992 oceanside, CA Gender:	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #109 - Nov 14^th, 2012 at 10:02am i use a lot of different lithics for my celts, Bill, but all of them are hard stones. you can peck and grind any stone, no matter how hard using a flint cobble. it just takes FOREVER!
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Paleoarts Interfector Viris Spurii Offline it don't mean a thing if you aint got that sling! Posts: 1992 oceanside, CA Gender:	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #110 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:34am some of my first efforts delving into metals. first, a rough replica of Otzi's copper axe. next, a European style copper battle axe. and, finally, a Fertile Crescant style copper axe. Chris Henry/Paleoarts
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Reply #111 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:01pm

Nice work, as always!

So now that you've reached the copper age (which Otzi seems to have proved started a long time earlier than first thought), how do you work your copper?

Do you have a forge? Or do you hammer or cast it? Where do you find that much copper? Shocked

(I think I may know where all my pennies went)

And if you ever get started in steel (or at least iron) let me know. I'd love to compare notes.

Also, Hank Reinhardt's "The Book of Swords" has quite a good section on the copper age. Probably one of the best books I have read in a long time.

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Mauro Fiorentini Slinging.org Moderator Offline Forge your future with the hammer of your mind! Posts: 3076 Ancona, Italy. Gender:	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #112 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 7:53am They're nice Chris, but I don't like the signs of modern tools on the second one - polish it with stones and water!! Greetings, Mauro.
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Reply #113 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:13am

Mauro, would this be the approate place to post pics of a small pick-axe head I made from steel?
It was hot-forged in a charcoal fire(it shows how crappy my blacksmithing skills are) on a bulldozer tooth anvil.
I do not have time to upload and resize this, so here is the raw pic.
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Reply #114 - Feb 25^th, 2013 at 10:12am

thanks, guys

Kjev, i scrounge scrap copper (mostly wire) and melt it in a kiln. then i pour it into molds that i carve from fire brick. final shaping is done with some grinding and hammering. it's essentially the same process the ancients used, albeit with a few modern devices. to see the process, check here...

http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/53219/Copper-Axe-Experiment

and see video of the first three pours on my youtube channel.

i doubt i'll go beyond this into metals as i'm just a caveman at heart! Wink

Mauro, sorry. i'll do better next time Cheesy

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Reply #115 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:49am

Paleoarts wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

the stone is from the Valley of Fire in Nevada. the handle is clear unfinished maple. http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz119/paleoarts/axes/100_7876480x640.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz119/paleoarts/axes/100_7881480x640.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz119/paleoarts/axes/100_7888480x640.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz119/paleoarts/axes/100_7889480x640.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz119/paleoarts/axes/100_7882480x640.jpg

How does this style of head sit in the handle? Is it secured with pine resin or is is just jammed in?

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Bill Skinner Slinging.org Moderator Forum Moderator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 1417	Re: PRIMITIVE AXES, CELTS, AND TOMOHAWKS Reply #116 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 9:01am A celt is just jammed in. It can only touch the top and bottom, as you chop, it will jam in tighter. If it is touching the sides, as it goes deeper, it will act as a wedge and split the handle.
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Reply #117 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 11:06am

Bill is right, Mick. a celt, as opposed to an axe or tomahawk, is defined by this style of hafting. this is also how we know they were wood cutting tools as opposed to weapons. the harder you strike, the tighter they get but one good wack on the handle beneath the head and it will come flying out. not something you'd want during battle but something essential when it comes time to resharpen or replace a chipped head.

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Reply #118 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:33pm

People, this is a ground slate celt, I have actually used it

My first stone tool that looks like a tool, and not just a badly chipped chunk of rock!
I also made a knife, but decided that ground slate does not hold a good enough edge...
Chris, a trade? I desperatly want one of your knives.... Slate is good stuff, but i only have a little bit. The haft on this tool is a piece of crud, i made it in 10 mins with the axeblade and power drill equipped with a 1/2 in titanium bit. Very different contrast in tech... LOL
Sorry theyr big Cheesy

but you can see details.
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WHen I was lke, oh, this thing is gonna fall out and break, and I hit a log, and was like, OS! The STONE JUST BROKE! but then I looked closer and saw that the axehead was wedged tightly in the haft, and the log had a surprisingly large chunk missing. I then proceded to use this to chop down a 3 inch willow tree that is kinda very dead but not rotten yet... I love stone tools now!
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Reply #119 - Mar 2^nd, 2013 at 12:51pm

Paleoarts wrote on Mar 9^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

i am using power tools, Bill, for the simple fact that i don't have the time to hand peck them. i've done it before the old-fashioned way and it works great, but you're right, it takes FOREVER! the slate i'm turning into ulus, neolithic daggers, and spear heads. i should have some pictures by weeks end.

I used a "power tool"- an 85 pound block of concrete I hauled back from my slinging grounds on bike thinking it would make a good somthing. I knew it was destined for greatness. I can make a slate axhead from a 1/2 inch thick, 5 inch by 5 inch tablet in under 30 mins, using about a gallon of water, and making lotsa dusty stuff. I am wanting to do a knife.
-Squirrel
By the way, concrete is incredibly abrasive and there is sooo much of it, dont worry about running out.

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