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Re: Medieval Finnish Slings
Reply #15 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 5:10am
 
by fresh hide, logically, they just mean leather that wasn't first made into shoes.

good variety of designs, and yeah that central one in the first pic does look like an aussie Smiley
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Reply #16 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:47pm
 
Where were these slings from? Some castle?
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Reply #17 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:13pm
 
Et Cetera wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:47pm:
Where were these slings from? Some castle?


As I said in my initial message six slings were from Åbo Akademi site and one from bailey of Turku Castle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85bo_Akademi_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turku_Castle
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Reply #18 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 5:15pm
 
the_warrior_yeti wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 4:01pm:
I think by fresh hide they're probably meaning raw hide, which will dry out and become very hard or stiff.


Ok, thanks, I was on the wrong track then with the blood-wet cowhide   Smiley.

Btw, one of my favourite slings at the moment has a pouch made out of two leather straps from an old sandal. If I got into a close-quarter fight with it, I could still use it as a biochemical weapon.
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einen lintrachen  slouch des heledes hant
do badet er in dem blvote  des ist der helt gemeit
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Re: Medieval Finnish Slings
Reply #19 - Jul 7th, 2009 at 4:17pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 5:10am:
by fresh hide, logically, they just mean leather that wasn't first made into shoes.


You're probably right aardvark. That would be the more logical explanation. Rawhide dries hard as a rock so the pouch would have not flex to it at all, unless you really worked it to get it that way, but in that time, in my experience, the cord would probably tear those holes right out. It would be much more sensible and make a longer lasting pouch to just use leather scraps from making shoes or clothing, which if you've ever worked with leather on a large scale, you know you will have plenty of scrapes.
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Reply #20 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 7:07am
 
Here comes a picture of medieval slings from Schleswig. Schleswig is a town in the north of Germany and somehow the successor of the viking town Haithabu which is located two or three kilometeras south of Schleswig. Both are located at the fjord "Schlei" which had been a often frequented shipping way in former times. The sling had been found in the ground of the medieval harbour place and they are dated from 11 to 12th century.

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Reply #21 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 9:02am
 
Lots of longitudinal cuts. I can see that working well....
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Reply #22 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 9:27am
 
Good find!

The one in the upper right corner looks almost like a Capt. Paul to me. Or like the Aitsikko Comanche stonethrower OldXplorer uses in  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIT9HcnVqg
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do badet er in dem blvote  des ist der helt gemeit
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Reply #23 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:17am
 
Sweet I've been looking for a picture of the Hedeby find. All I have found so far has been replicas.

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Reply #24 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:18am
 
Based on the replica that I built several months ago it works really well. I used a sketch of the artifact.

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David Morningstar wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 9:02am:
Lots of longitudinal cuts. I can see that working well....

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Reply #25 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:20am
 
Sorry for the lack of picture quality. It wasn't allowed to use a flashlight. The both left pouches are cut, the right one has a hole in the centre. The best work and the most interesting piece - I think - is the second left pouch. The cuts are 8 on one side and nine on the other. They are going along side in the middle. The effect of this is a certain widening of the centre of the pouch which allows to keep more or bigger stones in it.
What is a little bit confusing is that this pouch shows only one hole for one of the cords. I had a very careful look to the original and it seems to me that there was never a hole on the other end. Furthermoe on the other end no leather (and no hole in it) seems to be missing. May be that this sling was not yet finished when it came down to the ground of the harbour.

A general remark to archeological leather pouches: Except the Gdansk sling presented by winkleried I didn't see any cord belonging to the found pouches. My conclusion from that is that they probably were made from a different material that wasn't preserved under conditions that were suited to preserve leather. As far as I know (I'm an amateur) that in swamps or mudd leather can be well preserved but organic materials not. So this might be a reason to assume that the cords of all these leather pouch slings had been made from organic material, in the area of Haithabu/Schleswig most likely from flax/linen.

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Re: Medieval Finnish Slings
Reply #26 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:25am
 
Hi Winkleried,

these pictures show the Schleswig findings. There has been found a number of quite similar pouches in Haithabu/Hedeby. Unfortunately I have no foto of them, just only sketches somewhere.

What was your experience with your replica? What is your explanation to the missing cords?

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Reply #27 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:30am
 
The original Gdansk artifact didn't have the cord either( based on the original drawing). Only one I know of that could possibly have one is the Randers artifact.

I agree with ya on no cords being found. So when I build my replica slings for reenactment purposes, I use a variety of cords to give an idea. Not completely sold on the plant fiber theory, but i have heard it in other places.....

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funda_iucunda wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:20am:
Sorry for the lack of picture quality. It wasn't allowed to use a flashlight. The both left pouches are cut, the right one has a hole in the centre. The best work and the most interesting piece - I think - is the second left pouch. The cuts are 8 on one side and nine on the other. They are going along side in the middle. The effect of this is a certain widening of the centre of the pouch which allows to keep more or bigger stones in it.
What is a little bit confusing is that this pouch shows only one hole for one of the cords. I had a very careful look to the original and it seems to me that there was never a hole on the other end. Furthermoe on the other end no leather (and no hole in it) seems to be missing. May be that this sling was not yet finished when it came down to the ground of the harbour.

A general remark to archeological leather pouches: Except the Gdansk sling presented by winkleried I didn't see any cord belonging to the found pouches. My conclusion from that is that they probably were made from a different material that wasn't preserved under conditions that were suited to preserve leather. As far as I know (I'm an amateur) that in swamps or mudd leather can be well preserved but organic materials not. So this might be a reason to assume that the cords of all these leather pouch slings had been made from organic material, in the area of Haithabu/Schleswig most likely from flax/linen.

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Reply #28 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 11:33am
 
Most of the slings I   have used are Hedeby based. They work wonderful. The larger stones fill the pouch, and the slits expand out. I also think the slits cut down on the air resistance when the sling is in use.
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Reply #29 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 3:57pm
 
BTW, Funda, anyway of getting some sizes on the pouches? They are almost exactly like the Haithabu ones, and I'm willing to bet that the size is the same also.
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