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1651 etching
Apr 29^th, 2009 at 8:32pm

Here's a link to an engraving of David and Goliath in the British Museum:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_obje...

What caught my eye was the detail given to David's sling, which is unusual for artwork. It appears that the cords are plied, and that they taper. The pouch looks like a net or else woven so loosely that it is basically net (the artist must have read Mathias's article).

I doubt that the sling probably is the type of sling David might have used. More likely the design is contemporary with the artist, which is still interesting from a historical perspective.

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castanon93 Descens Offline IN BELLU PRIMUM Posts: 208	Re: 1651 etching Reply #1 - Apr 29^th, 2009 at 8:45pm very interesting, but i doubt david could have lifted that monster sword
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Re: 1651 etching
Reply #2 - Apr 29^th, 2009 at 11:54pm

If we go to the Balearics thier is one reference to a European netted sling. I can't remember what part of the islands they were popular in off the top of my head.

I think a taper for the release ends would probably make sense even to our ancestors. One of the things that we on this subforum have no illusions about is we KNOW we are having to reinvent the wheel.

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Timothy Potter wrote on Apr 29^th, 2009 at 8:32pm:

Here's a link to an engraving of David and Goliath in the British Museum:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_obje...

What caught my eye was the detail given to David's sling, which is unusual for artwork. It appears that the cords are plied, and that they taper. The pouch looks like a net or else woven so loosely that it is basically net (the artist must have read Mathias's article).

I doubt that the sling probably is the type of sling David might have used. More likely the design is contemporary with the artist, which is still interesting from a historical perspective.

-Timothy Potter

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Lycurgus Senior Member Offline [ch924][ch927][ch923 ][ch937][ch925] [ch923][ch913][ch914 ][ch917] Posts: 445 Coventry, England Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #3 - Apr 30^th, 2009 at 5:39am Given that nothing else in the picture looks historically accurate (except maybe Davids haircut) I would take it that the type of sling illustrated is more likely to be contemporary with the engraving.
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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #4 - Apr 30^th, 2009 at 9:47am Interesting. It may not take us much closer to the truth about David, but we learn that slings were obviously still used in France (the etching is French, if I saw it right) in the 17th century, and that they (some of them) were the netted type.
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Re: 1651 etching
Reply #5 - Apr 30^th, 2009 at 11:05am

Fundibularius wrote on Apr 30^th, 2009 at 9:47am:

Interesting. It may not take us much closer to the truth about David, but we learn that slings were obviously still used in France (the etching is French, if I saw it right) in the 17th century, and that they (some of them) were the netted type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frondeurs

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The Fronde (1648–1653) was a civil war in France, occurring in the midst of the Franco-Spanish War, which had begun in 1635. The word fronde means sling, which Parisians mobs used to smash the windows of supporters of Cardinal Mazarin.

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The term frondeur was later used to refer to anyone who suggested that the power of the king should be limited, and has now passed into conservative French usage to refer to anyone who will show insubordination or engage in criticism of the powers in place.

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Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #6 - Apr 30^th, 2009 at 11:17am Quote: very interesting, but i doubt david could have lifted that monster sword lol yeah, I'd have problem wielding that thing. But it's a fairly recent sling reference from france - okay it's actually an allegory for the french civil war, but hey that just makes it more contemporary
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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #7 - Apr 30^th, 2009 at 11:32am Thanks a lot, David, I had no idea that was the meaning of Fronde. Should brush up my French, really.
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Et Cetera Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks Into Windows! Posts: 1550 Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #8 - Apr 30^th, 2009 at 4:22pm castanon93 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2009 at 8:45pm: very interesting, but i doubt david could have lifted that monster sword If he could kill Goliath, he most certainly could lift the sword.
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Aussie Past Moderator Offline Joined Nov. 1, 2006 Luke 14:14 Posts: 3265 Melbourne, Australia Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #9 - May 1^st, 2009 at 6:29am He actually finished off Goliath with his own sword. The sling wound was probably mortal in itself but it appears that Goliath may have been still technically alive when David cut his head off.
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Et Cetera Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks Into Windows! Posts: 1550 Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #10 - May 2^nd, 2009 at 8:37pm It says he "slang" the stone. I like that word. Yes, it looks like he finished him off with the sword.
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Mr. Boss Funditor Offline Slinging Depleted Uranium! Posts: 631	Re: 1651 etching Reply #11 - May 3^rd, 2009 at 9:36am Well, it says the stone sank into goliaths head, that means it went into his head and I think its a 1 in a quintillion chance that he'd still be alive after getting shot in the head. Plus the beheading was probably a symbol of victory with the jews.
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Re: 1651 etching
Reply #12 - May 3^rd, 2009 at 2:27pm

There is a thread for this in this subforum, where this particular detail has been discussed ad nausem. Lets not hijack this thread to go over this same little detail.

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Mr. Boss wrote on May 3^rd, 2009 at 9:36am:

Well, it says the stone sank into goliaths head, that means it went into his head and I think its a 1 in a quintillion chance that he'd still be alive after getting shot in the head. Plus the beheading was probably a symbol of victory with the jews.

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Et Cetera Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks Into Windows! Posts: 1550 Gender:	Re: 1651 etching Reply #13 - May 4^th, 2009 at 4:23pm Anyone know what it says at the bottom of the picture?
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Re: 1651 etching
Reply #14 - May 4^th, 2009 at 4:59pm

In good French:

La Fronde en cet endroit fit un coup Merveilleux
Mais L'Esprit Éternel en conduisit la pierre
Et luy donna du poids contre un front Orgueilleux
Pour mettre en un moment le Colosse par terre

Frondeurs de qui le bruit s'espend par tout le Monde
Cet Exemple sacré vous a donné des Loix
Vous pouvez justement faire claquer la Fronde
Pour la Cause du Ciel et pour celle de Roix.

In bad English:

The sling hit the spot miraculously.
The Eternal Spirit, however, was it who guided the rock
And gave it enough weight against the proud forehead
To send the giant down to the ground in a moment.

Frondeurs (or slingers) whose noise is spreading throughout the world,
this sacred example has given you your laws.
You can just as well make your slings crack
For the cause of Heaven and that of the kings.

Sorry...

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