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Mar 30th, 2009 at 5:11pm
 
  Cortaillod sling, picture attached.
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Reply #1 - Mar 30th, 2009 at 5:40pm
 
Sorry for the cryptic message above-- wanted to make sure I could post an attached picture. This is from Ferdinand Keller's "Fifth report on buildings built on posts", "Pfahlbauten, Funfter Bericht", plate XV, fig. 14.

P. 175: "Schleuderkappe. Taf XV fig. 14 stellt die eine Seite einer aus Schnüren von Flachs gestrickten Scheluderkappe dar"

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Sling pouch. Pl. 15 fig 14 represents one side of a sling pouch woven from strands of flax.

This is in a description of material from Cortaillod, found by dredging around the underwater, lacustrine site (late Bronze Age, Cortaillod, on lake Neuchatel).
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Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 8:03am
 
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P. 175: "Schleuderkappe. Taf XV fig. 14 stellt die eine Seite einer aus Schnüren von Flachs gestrickten Scheluderkappe dar"

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Sling pouch. Pl. 15 fig 14 represents one side of a sling pouch woven from strands of flax. 

This is in a description of material from Cortaillod, found by dredging around the underwater, lacustrine site (late Bronze Age, Cortaillod, on lake Neuchatel). 


Thanks for the image. Just one correction: "gestrickt" means "knitted" in German, not "woven" (that expression would be "gewebt" or "gewoben"). After a closer look at the picture, the pouch really seems rather knitted than woven to me. Maybe even the strings.

BTW: Has anyone here ever tried to knit a pouch or a whole sling? Would be well worth an article in the how-to section.
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Reply #4 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 9:26am
 
Beautiful ! The pouch looks marvellous. Actually, the Cortaillod sling look pretty good too. Knitted, then.
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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 12:42pm
 
Very impressive. They look perfect. I think I'll start knitting them, too.

BTW: The Cortaillod sling proves that knitting is much older than presumed under the topic.
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Ferrugo numquam dormit.&&(Nigellus Iuvenis)&&&&

Noch weiz ich an im mere daz mir ist bekant
einen lintrachen  slouch des heledes hant
do badet er in dem blvote  des ist der helt gemeit
von also vester hvte  daz in nie wafen sit versneit.
 
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Re: Cortaillod sling (Late Bronze Age, ca. 1000 BC
Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 3:40pm
 
Thearos,

unfortunately I can't see the cortillod sling picture. What is wrong with my computer?
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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 7:37pm
 
Sorry about that-- it's an attached .tiff. I just did what the browser told me to...
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Reply #8 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 7:40pm
 
funda_iucunda wrote on Mar 31st, 2009 at 3:40pm:
Thearos,

unfortunately I can't see the cortillod sling picture. What is wrong with my computer?
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Reply #9 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 11:24pm
 
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Re: Cortaillod sling (Late Bronze Age, ca. 1000 BC
Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2009 at 1:44pm
 
Yep that's the pic that I have.

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Thearos wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 at 5:11pm:
 Cortaillod sling, picture attached.

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Reply #11 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 2:35pm
 
Many thanks for helping me to get a view on the sling. I had the silent hope that it would be a new picture, but I know it already. I tried to start reconstruct. What is very well visible is that the left edge of the pouch seems to be a twisted string and the right a braided one, made from three strands. This would mean that the cord is made with five strands. But this asymmetric pattern seems somehow inadequate. Furthermore I have no idea so far how the pouch between the edges is made. What do you think?

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Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 6:28pm
 
Having talked to a couple of knitting experts this weekend, the concensus was that it was woven rather than knitted. One of the problems is that oftentimes during these eraly archelogical expeditions there was no textile expert present, and what the finder discribed it as stuck, similar to the Southhampton sling, orignally it was desribed as a shoe tounge.

We really, really need a current photograph of this artifact, in order to be sure on it's method of construction. Based on my experience with the Gdansk sling recreation and an exercise I went through this winter on accuractely drawing an excavated artifact has caused me to realise the extremely limted information that can be gleaned from a line drawing

One alternate prossibility was that it was Nalbound, instead of knitted

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Fundibularius wrote on Mar 31st, 2009 at 12:42pm:
Very impressive. They look perfect. I think I'll start knitting them, too.

BTW: The Cortaillod sling proves that knitting is much older than presumed under the topic.

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Reply #13 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 7:50pm
 
Why not write to the Neuchatel museum ? Not 100% sure the artifact ended there (it was first in a private collection), but would be worth a try.
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Reply #14 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 8:56pm
 
It's on a list of things to do for me, although I am still working with the Gdansk sling right now in my extremely limited spare time.
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Thearos wrote on Apr 5th, 2009 at 7:50pm:
Why not write to the Neuchatel museum ? Not 100% sure the artifact ended there (it was first in a private collection), but would be worth a try.

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