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Reply #30 - Mar 30th, 2009 at 9:56pm
 
C_A could that particular thread be the "Annuals of Tigernach"originally posted by Sling badger???????

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Curious Aardvark wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 at 8:02am:
thanks guys - I knew they'd been found just couldn't remember how  I knew Smiley

There was definitely a thread about irish grave goods and slings - but buggered if I could track it down Sad
Ah - that's right, there was a quote from one of the celtic legends stating that a chieftain was buried with his slings.
Definitely a thread on the forum somewhere.

As far as leather surviving goes - there was an excavation of  aroman rubbish dump in london in the last few years (saw it on a telly program) and they found components of a leather water wheel as well as various other leather goods !
Leather is very tough and can survive in a variety of different conditions for a long time.
 

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Reply #31 - Mar 30th, 2009 at 9:58pm
 
In short diffrent varieties of slings were used by diffrent groups, not to much diffrent than today Smiley

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Thearos wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 at 5:48pm:
Conclusion: Fundibularius is certainly right to say the Eburones used the sling (perhaps even principally, but certainly in combination with other missile weapons) to harry and outfight and wipe out the Roman legion and a half; the evidence is circumstantial, literary, and archaeological (in the form of sling projectiles; among the handful of archaeologically attested slings, none seem to come from the relevant period, Iron Age France).

What kinds of sling were used by Celtic, or Germano-celtic populations of ca. 54 BC ?  Roman-era finds suggest leather straps and cup, as do mediaeval British and Irish finds; the Cortaillod sling (in the right area, but nearly a millenium earlier, and belonging to a different culture altogether) suggests the possibility woven vegetal fibre.

How's that for a summary ?

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Reply #32 - Mar 30th, 2009 at 11:52pm
 
Hey  guys,

 Chiming in late.Check out this show.


http://www.history.com/content/warriors/episode-guide

  They don't have the Barbarians episode listed yet,but this link goes to the episode player.


http://www.history.com/video.do?name=warriors&bclrid=fullepisodes
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Reply #33 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 7:07am
 
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Conclusion: Fundibularius is certainly right to say the Eburones used the sling (perhaps even principally, but certainly in combination with other missile weapons) to harry and outfight and wipe out the Roman legion and a half; the evidence is circumstantial, literary, and archaeological (in the form of sling projectiles; among the handful of archaeologically attested slings, none seem to come from the relevant period, Iron Age France).  

What kinds of sling were used by Celtic, or Germano-celtic populations of ca. 54 BC ?  Roman-era finds suggest leather straps and cup, as do mediaeval British and Irish finds; the Cortaillod sling (in the right area, but nearly a millenium earlier, and belonging to a different culture altogether) suggests the possibility woven vegetal fibre.  

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Thearos,
sorry, I haven't had the time to check the site lately. I agree with the summary.

Let me add wool as a possible material for Celtic slings. Or other animal (or maybe even human) hair. Just hypothetically, as it is always "in reach" for herdsmen. Or for warriors who like to cut off their enemies' heads.

If we want to be sure about the (continental) Celtic or German sling, however, we'll have to hope for a lucky find from the period in the alpine ice, or in bogs or under water or in a hermetically sealed grave or something similar. It might not be very probable, but who of us, in the 1980s, would have guessed that we would once look into Oetzi the Iceman's face and examine his well-preserved neolithic weapons and tools?

If I remember well, there is a link somewhere on this site to slings depicted on Trajan's column. If any, then for now, in time and space, these could be the "closest" types of "Barbarian" slings to those used in the Gallic Wars - although there are almost 200 years and 2000 km between the events in Gaul and in Dacia.
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Reply #34 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 7:38pm
 
How about a Balearic slinger from Hannibal's army, preserved like Otzi in a glacier, and revealed by global warming induced thaw ?
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Reply #35 - Apr 1st, 2009 at 5:10am
 
That would be great. With a bag full of notes written by Hannibal himself: "My dear wife, soon our travelling circus will reach the realms of Italy and do a few shows in some of its famous cities as a sign of our goodwill and of the everlasting peace between our peoples..."
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Reply #36 - Apr 1st, 2009 at 5:15pm
 
"In Cannae, three tent show. I hope we can do Rome ! If you can make it in Rome, you can make it anywhere. Tough crowd, though"
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Reply #37 - Apr 2nd, 2009 at 12:12pm
 
"Surely they'll like the wild ruminants from the north. Buffalo Bal, that's how they're gonna call me."
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Reply #38 - Apr 2nd, 2009 at 5:41pm
 
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Reply #39 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 6:38am
 
Bitte, zuviel der Ehre.

You surely know this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnidejoch Chances for finding an original sling are not too bad, I guess. It just has to be recognised as such.
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Reply #40 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 6:11pm
 
Wow-- didn't know this one. A yew bow taken by a tourist !

You know Manfred Korfmann's thesis (Schleuder und Bogen)-- sling and bow were, at least in the near east, mutually exclusive. I don't know if this is right-- especially in the west...


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Reply #41 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 5:25am
 
Thearos, do you know anywhere that has that Korfmann thesis in English? I have been drooling to read it for years, but I haven't been able to find a translation.
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Reply #42 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 6:38am
 
I read it recently-- it's qyute sort. I think there's an abstract in English; and the gist of it is summarised in his Scientific American article of October 1973
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