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My first paracord sling
Oct 22nd, 2008 at 10:44pm
 
Following Peacefuljeffrey's instructions I made this sling out of paracord  Cool
I know it's sloppy, but its my first one and I'm proud of it. I'll test it tomorrow and post a report.
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Re: My first paracord sling
Reply #1 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 1:34am
 
Cheesy
Congratulations!

If it works, it works!  Good on ya!

You seem to have the basic concept down just fine.
My first few were pretty "sloppy" as well, and it wasn't until the member named Nephiel at EDCforums made a superb specimen and showed the forum a photo that I became aware that what I had made could be improved.  (Ya gotta love it.)  So I went back and re-made a sling and that's the one you see with the yellow golf ball.

The overall plan for that sling is easy -- I stand by that assessment -- but it is also true that to make a nice neat one with very little as far as gaps in the pouch, there's plenty of "working" the weave that you will have to do.  Also, you should know that you will need about 5 feet of cord to do the crossweave in a more dense pattern.

If you make a few more of these, you will start to really "know" the pattern.  Once that happens, you will get proficient at reading the pouch and will be able to feed cord back through it to address issues of tightening or loosening the warps to achieve the shape you want.  A well-made one of these will retain a cupped shape without  difficulty or any kind of seasoning.  All you have to do is loosen the "sheet bend" a bit at the ends of the pouch, and tug each of those outer lines that run along the rim of the pouch to shorten them, then tighten the sheet bend again. It ends up working like a drawstring cinching the pouch into a cupped shape.


I'm pleased that people are trying that design out.  Best wishes for success with your sling.  Smiley
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Re: My first paracord sling
Reply #2 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 2:35am
 
One thing you will find with a loose weave is that after a few throws all the weaving has slid up to the release end of the pouch. About the only defence against this is to weave it pretty tightly to begin with.

Peacefuljeffrey - I'm currently working on a minor variant of this design where you lay the centre of the weaving cord on top of the loops before you tie the knots at each end. This way the weaving cord acts as another warp thread, giving a total of six. You can then start weaving at each end and produce a 3 / 3 split pouch.

So far my prototype has a great split pouch centre but the end weavings are still a mess. I will try something much simpler and show it off when I'm happy.
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Reply #3 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 10:23am
 
OK I just tested it out  Smiley
I used a bowline knot for my finger and burned the ends of the cord to form caps.
The pouch holds golf balls pretty well. Only two fell out in 20 throws. Going for distance I made many 100+ 60+ yard throws(according to google earth). I also tested an underhand throw and it works too. I'm pleased with my first paracord sling and appreciate the help you guys have given me. I'm going to work on another one soon.  Cool
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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2008 at 12:51am
 
I also made a paracord sling two weeks ago and tested it last weekend. I extended the design to have 7 warp cords, so it is wide enough to handle tennis balls. The pouch length (before knot tying) is 15 cm and the finished pouch is 4.5 cm wide. I removed the core from the paracord for the weaving cord, since there was no way to fit full diameter cord into the pouch. I expect removing the core for the weaving is in the directions somewhere and I don't think I thought that up independently. I used a butter knife to pack the weave in tightly. Overall, this sling used up a bit under 4m of paracord and the pouch is surprisingly heavy.

I did not have any trouble using it for overhand shots (other than having to get use to the feel of a release knot tied in paracord), but was terrible with underhand throws. I would like to blame my poor throws on having a cold, but the real reason is that the ball was falling out of the pouch because my underhand throw sometimes has a slight pause as I raise my hand up behind my head. A smoother technique eliminates problems, so perhaps the pouch not grabbing the ball is good for training. The pouch was flat, but I made it more cupped (as peacefuljeffrey described) and will test that out tomorrow.
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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2008 at 1:32am
 
NOICE-lookin' sling, there, Reuben!  Shocked

I wonder, do you have problems with the tennis ball rolling out the sides, though?  I know that the design is great for golf balls, but beyond that diameter, I would worry about premature loss of the projectile.  How's it been going?
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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2008 at 4:08am
 
This is where I am at with the split pouch. You start by making two loops as as usual to get the five warp cords, then before tying it off you lay the weaving cord on top so you get six cords. Each end of the weaving cord then does one end and one side of the pouch.

I am using fat bootlaces here cos its only a prototype. I dont have enough length to make a neat job of the weaving. I start by dividing the warps into two groups of three and doing four rows of figure-8 wrapping inwards from the end before starting a 3 cord weave for one half of the pouch. The other end does the same.

This can easily hold a tennis ball with lots of cupping.


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Reply #7 - Oct 26th, 2008 at 4:09am
 
The other pouch is my standard paracord one with a golf ball for scale.
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Reply #8 - Oct 26th, 2008 at 4:14am
 
Whether it offers any advantage over Cliffs design is a moot point  Undecided http://slinging.org/index.php?page=woven-pouch-sling---colin-philips




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Re: My first paracord sling
Reply #9 - Oct 26th, 2008 at 2:44pm
 
It's great that folks experiment.  That's how I improved the three-strand sheet-bend design to make five-strands.  (I say, "I improved..." but that's only because I did it blind to the fact that anyone else anywhere had also come up with that modification parallel to my own doing so.  I later became aware that at least one other person had advocated doing what I did.)

I don't personally have a need for any modification of Cliff's design, since I actually am very fond of the simplicity of it, and the reductionist philosophy that it employs.  ("Do the most with the least.")

I notice that on your solid pouch design, it looks like you have independent cords and pouch.  Why did you opt for doing that, as opposed to having the strands for the cords woven right into the pouch?
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Re: My first paracord sling
Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2008 at 5:39pm
 
peacefuljeffrey wrote on Oct 26th, 2008 at 2:44pm:
It's great that folks experiment.  That's how I improved the three-strand sheet-bend design to make five-strands.  (I say, "I improved..." but that's only because I did it blind to the fact that anyone else anywhere had also come up with that modification parallel to my own doing so.  I later became aware that at least one other person had advocated doing what I did.)

I don't personally have a need for any modification of Cliff's design, since I actually am very fond of the simplicity of it, and the reductionist philosophy that it employs.  ("Do the most with the least.")

I notice that on your solid pouch design, it looks like you have independent cords and pouch.  Why did you opt for doing that, as opposed to having the strands for the cords woven right into the pouch?



Again, I was experimenting. I was just learning to tie the sheetbend in a spare length of cord. It didnt leave me with long enough ends to use as sling cords, but they were long enough to use for the weaving. I looped them off and led them back in to do the weaving, and the weaving went so well it was a shame not to use it so I attached separate cords to the loops. I didnt set out to make it that way for any reason, it just kinda went in that direction.
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Re: My first paracord sling
Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2008 at 10:31pm
 
peacefuljeffrey wrote on Oct 26th, 2008 at 1:32am:
NOICE-lookin' sling, there, Reuben!  Shocked

I wonder, do you have problems with the tennis ball rolling out the sides, though?  I know that the design is great for golf balls, but beyond that diameter, I would worry about premature loss of the projectile.  How's it been going?


Thanks. I had some minor issues with tennis balls falling out the side during underhand throws when I first used the sling (and when the pouch was flat), but did not drop any yesterday. Adjusting the side cords to cup the pouch more helps. Also, the pouch is 7 cords wide (4.5cm) and just wide enough for tennis balls. The pouch is now more curved than shown in the attached photo.

The only issue I had using this sling yesterday was a slight twist in the cords. The paracord is very stiff and my retention knot and release knot are not quite lined up with the pouch. This causes a bit of twist on the pouch, which added a noticable amount of side spin when slinging underhand. Also, my typical fig-8 release knot is smaller (and slippery) in paracord so I may try to find a larger knot (or may eventually get used to it).

I had forgotten about Cliff's paracord sling design. I should try that out when I get some more cord.

I like the split pouch David came up with. I was thinking that figuring out a way to make this into a split pouch would help hold tennis balls (and other large amo) better.
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Re: My first paracord sling
Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2008 at 10:57pm
 
Rueben.  i love that sling! i made one too, but due to the materials i had available, i used thinner, softer paracord for the long length part, and stiff, thicker stuff for the crosswise part. it turned out kinda sloppy and strange. your way must be the way to go, if using 2 different kinds of paracord..
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Reply #13 - Oct 28th, 2008 at 2:44am
 
Rueben wrote on Oct 27th, 2008 at 10:31pm:
Also, my typical fig-8 release knot is smaller (and slippery) in paracord so I may try to find a larger knot (or may eventually get used to it).


Ashleys stopper knot is the answer. http://www.helsinki.fi/~galambos/knot/stopper.html ;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_stopper_knot

Its wide, symmetrical and solid. I use it now on all my slings (unless it uses a leather release tab)

It took me a few goes to learn how to tie it but its actually dead easy. Tighten the 'base' first before doing the final 'bitter end through the big loop' move.
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Reply #14 - Oct 28th, 2008 at 6:04am
 
Anyone looking for a good, LARGE release (trigger) knot should check out the example in my thread about "new idea for trigger knot".

No, I haven't posted instructions as yet, but I will get around to it.  If you can't wait, check out the book "The Complete Book of Decorative Knots" by Geoffrey Budworth.  It's the knot called the Good Luck Knot, I believe.
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