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Sjambok
Jan 30^th, 2008 at 9:28pm

Has anyone else messed around with this amazing weapon. I got a four foot long one for cheap from coldsteel. Granted, its made from plastic, but it is fairly indestructable. It is basically a semi rigid tapered whip. It takes very little force to transfer great force to the tip, and the first day i got it, i nonchalantly swung it at my bare foot, it left a 2 inch red line and stung quite a bit for about half an hour. A shorter one can be used easily in one hand or two, i dont know how easily a longer one can be used withone hand.
All-in-all, a good addition to any collection of training or self defense weapons, and a bargain for not more than 20$ US.
Lemme know if anyone else has played with these,
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Re: Sjambok
Reply #1 - Jan 31^st, 2008 at 10:37am

Never used one - but the traditional african jambok is actually made from a stretched and dried Bulls Pizzle (that's willy to you) !
Yes, it really is :-)

When you see the african police laying into people with them they certainly look nasty (funnily enough the only thing that changed with the departing of apartheid is that now it's black sa police hitting people instead of white police - but they're still using the same jamboks.)

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winkleried Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 1535 Norman Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Sjambok Reply #2 - Jan 31^st, 2008 at 9:09pm http://www.donrearic.com/mightysjambok.html I haven't yet played with one of these yet but I realy want too. Marc Adkins
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siguy Interfector Viris Spurii Offline si vis pacem para bellum Posts: 1714 connecticut Gender:	Re: Sjambok Reply #4 - Feb 1^st, 2008 at 10:41am i was under the impression that the real sjamboks are made from hippo hide, which is very thick and sturdy.
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Re: Sjambok
Reply #5 - Feb 1^st, 2008 at 2:54pm

Most sjamboks were made from a strip of hippo, rhino or elephant hide.
I have the CS one, and I have to say: I was never into latigo y daga, whip doesn't fit me, but sjambok in right hand/dagger in left hand is combination so nasty it defies categorising. The Sjambok is light and fast enough to be moving constantly, unpredicably, painfully, going for face and everything else exposed from all angles, never too far for the target to be safe... The only defense is to either run away or rush it - good luck rushing against punyo and dagger! But it isn't a thing I would want to bring inside, as it needs some space to perform at it's best.
Interesting weapon, good tool for building coordination and fluid movement.

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Ethan Funditor Offline so much depends upon a red wheelbarrow... Posts: 858 On the edge of a lake... Gender:	Re: Sjambok Reply #6 - Feb 1^st, 2008 at 7:28pm It sounds somewhat like the effect you can get with a piece of 1/4" PVC pipe... Am I close?
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Stenny Funditor Offline Don't laugh at me, I can sling in every direction! Posts: 654 Gender:	Re: Sjambok Reply #7 - Feb 2^nd, 2008 at 5:08am I think you are... never had a 1/4" pipe, but I magine it would be somewhat close to sjambok. Much lighter, though, thus more on the "whip" than "stick" side - it would probably only leave welts, while sjambok can actually cut flesh with powerful swings. Not that I would like to be on the bad side of 1/4" pipe...
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Stenny Funditor Offline Don't laugh at me, I can sling in every direction! Posts: 654 Gender:	Re: Sjambok Reply #9 - Feb 2^nd, 2008 at 6:27pm Anything whippy hurts... that is not to say that things that aren't whippy do not hurt. Quite on the contrary!
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Re: Sjambok
Reply #10 - Feb 3^rd, 2008 at 8:17am

according to the scrabble dictionary - both spellings are correct :-)
Jambok and sjambok. I prefer the former as it looks far less pretentious :-)

Can't remember where I saw the thing about them being made from a stretched dried bulls pizzle, but it seemed genuine at the time. And they are traditionally used for whips (even mentions t in the marquis de sade - but then it would ;-)
I've also found refererences to them being made from elephant and rhino hide. I guess they just don't kill enough bulls anymore ;-)

Anyway you look at it they are a fairly nasty crowd control device and a very peculiar choice for a personal weapon.

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Re: Sjambok
Reply #12 - Feb 7^th, 2008 at 4:56am

In the past most South-African subburban households would have had a sjambok for use on animals, sometimes kids and the odd intruder or two. They were very popular and you would sometimes find hawkers selling them on street corners and even house to house. Even charities (spelling) got into the manufacturing of them by recycling plastic shopping bags and heating the plastic to form a twisted multicolour sjambok. A very festive pain delivering tool indeed.

My best sjambok was about 1,5m long, taperred from the handle to about 10-15cm from the tip where the taper started slightly out again into a thicker point. I think it is still a my folks house.

These days when I go out for a stroll or such I carry a Big Bear hiking stick made from rattan. It is as thick as a broom stick, very light but extremely tough and has some whippyness to it. It is about 1.6m long.

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Posted by: curious_aardvark Posted on: Jan 31st, 2008, 5:37pm

When you see the african police laying into people with them they certainly look nasty (funnily enough the only thing that changed with the departing of apartheid is that now it's black sa police hitting people instead of white police - but they're still using the same jamboks.)

Sheez bru, I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

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Re: Sjambok
Reply #13 - Feb 7^th, 2008 at 6:16am

lol you know what they say, 'individual politicians might change - but the government never goes anywhere'.

Shortly after mandela took power there was a protest outside the parliament building (or whatever it's called) by the zulus. They were unarmed (relatively - no guns just traditional tribal ornaments, lol) And mandala ordered his guards to fire on the crowd to break up the protest.
And I remember thinking, somewhat sadly: 'different people, same basic rules'.
I guess the jambok is such a familiar symbol of the sa police they just decided to hang on to them, 'just in case'.

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