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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #30 - Aug 12th, 2007 at 10:07am
 
Stoner, the caps look a bit aggressive to me.

Most people on this forum don't doubt that you can get the necessary accuracy to do this feat with a hand sling. Though many doubt that you could do it with an usual staff sling. I guess the original poster's intention was not to say that it was only possible to do this with a staff sling, I understood him as if he just questioned whether a staff sling might be a possible interpretation, too.
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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #31 - Aug 18th, 2007 at 5:28am
 
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"Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me."


i hope it isn't the same rod as mentioned elsewhere, in the child-care section

Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. (Proverb 23:14)

what works when applied to the aztecs mightn't be appropriate for one's own child, but it must be true, because the bible is the word of God - it says so itself!



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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #32 - Aug 18th, 2007 at 6:44am
 
hmm, well usually I'm the first person to start an argument. But this probably isn't the topic to rehash the old: [i]'the bible is  a book of made up stories' [/i]- [i]'oh no it's not it's an historical text' [/i]argument AGAIN :-)

Any way you look at it nobody ever mentions the israelites using staff slings. And certainly not against goliath.
Yes a shepherd would have had a staff or crook - most shepherds do. It's a good way of getting sheep out of awkward places. And yes it's also probably a good bet that david would have been able to use it as a weapon. But it's a shepherds staff Not a staff sling.

We all have different beliefs - it doesn't have to be an issue very single time :-) 

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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #33 - Aug 19th, 2007 at 12:59am
 
[quote author=curious_aardvark link=1179326399/30#32 date=1187433854]hmm, well usually I'm the first person to start an argument. But this probably isn't the topic to rehash the old: [i]'the bible is †a book of made up stories' [/i]- [i]'oh no it's not it's an historical text' [/i]argument AGAIN :-)

Any way you look at it nobody ever mentions the israelites using staff slings. And certainly not against goliath.
Yes a shepherd would have had a staff or crook - most shepherds do. It's a good way of getting sheep out of awkward places. And yes it's also probably a good bet that david would have been able to use it as a weapon. But it's a shepherds staff Not a staff sling.

[b]We all have different beliefs - it doesn't have to be an issue very single time [/b]:-) †

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Amen to that one!!!!

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Have you ever considered that your constant bitter little anti-Bible, anti-Christian jibes are as BORING as they are unconvincing? As I said to English, life is too short to waste it studying a book you don't agree with. Just get over it.

If TS is a bell end you're the complete trumpet.
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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #34 - Aug 20th, 2007 at 7:03am
 
lmao - I know I shouldn't laugh at people insulting each other - but it's either that or join in lol

Come on folks - lets at least try to get by without slanging matches :-)

I suspect that I'm probably unusual in not having any really solid beliefs and in believing (lol) that everyone has a right to their own beliefs and whether or not you agree with them you should respect other peoples rights to have those beliefs.
What ever else we all think - there is one belief we've all got in common. Slings are excellent.
Let's try and approach things from that angle, hmm ?

Here endeth the lesson (hopefully :-)
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Reply #35 - Sep 4th, 2007 at 6:46pm
 
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Have you ever considered that your constant bitter little anti-Bible, anti-Christian jibes are as BORING as they are unconvincing?


no, obviously

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life is too short to waste it studying a book you don't agree with


the most influential book in the world deserves study - how do we make our minds up otherwise?

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If TS is a bell end you're the complete trumpet.


if it annoys you that i think he's a bell-end, i'll change the assertion in the interests of harmony. after all, it's probably not his fault

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there is one belief we've all got in common. Slings are excellent.


amen

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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #36 - Sep 5th, 2007 at 2:40am
 
sv wrote on Sep 4th, 2007 at 6:46pm:
if it annoys you that i think he's a bell-end, i'll change the assertion in the interests of harmony. after all, it's probably not his fault

Is putting weird insults in signatures the new style here? You know I still wonder what I could put in my signature...

But on a more serious note, please stop that. We have intense discussions here in some places, sometimes even impolite, but please let's keep those discussions in their places instead of spreading insults all over the forum.

By the way, I have to lookup your insults in a dictionary as I never heard them before. And in the case of "wab" it looks like your insult has a different meaning depending on whether you are from Northern Ireland or from the United States.
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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #37 - Sep 5th, 2007 at 3:53am
 
ok

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Reply #38 - Sep 5th, 2007 at 7:04am
 
Thank you! Smiley
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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #39 - Oct 3rd, 2007 at 8:50pm
 
sv wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 at 5:28am:
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"Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me."


i hope it isn't the same rod as mentioned elsewhere, in the child-care section

Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. (Proverb 23:14)

what works when applied to the aztecs mightn't be appropriate for one's own child, but it must be true, because the bible is the word of God - it says so itself!





October 3, 2007

Hmm. †This is one of the most interesting threads Iíve run across. † Ho-kay.

Irritating posts slung aside (pun intended), I think the answer may be that weíre dealing with a bit of psy-war in the David v Goliath episode. †Just for fun, letís pretend it happened. †And I am a practicing Christian. †One day maybe Iíll get it right.

After reading all the posts an idea occurs to me: perhaps David did carry his shepherdís staff with him and his sling coiled away neatly in his throwing hand. † Our ancestors were not idiots. †They knew about deception.

At the crucial moment, while Goliath was still laughing at the un-armored Hebrew boy, David drops his staff, loads his sling, and WHAMBO! knocks Goliath into the ever after.

OK, Slingers. You tell me: how fast can you get a sling into action assuming itís coiled in your throwing handís fist, both cords in place and ready? †Fifteen seconds? †Fifteen seconds is eternity in combat. †Say even 30 seconds. †By this time Goliath may have stopped laughing and realized that something odd was going on here.

By the way: at this time the Hebrews were still bronze age people. †The Philistines were iron age people. †Thatís why King David confiscated all the Philistine iron-smiths and put them to work for the Hebrews.

Thatís my story and Iím sticking to it. †Smiley

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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #40 - Oct 3rd, 2007 at 9:01pm
 
Another nibblet:

On another thread I mentioned that there is an undocumented account of slingers from Rhodes using the sling staff with deadly accuracy.  That came from the book ďThe Ten Thousand,Ē which was a fictionalized account of Xenophonís ďAnabasis,Ē or ďThe March Up Country.Ē

Iíve got all the makings of a sling staff here, including a hiking stick from which Iíve removed the leather wrist strap.  The hole in the shaft should be a perfect anchor point for one sling thong.

One day, hopefully, Iíll put all the bits together and see what I can accomplish.  My early experiments lead me to believe that, at least in my hands, a sling staff is more of a bombardment weapon than an accuracy weapon.  I may be wrong.

I usually am.

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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #41 - Oct 3rd, 2007 at 10:26pm
 
No your observations pretty much match mine.
Great for indirect plunging fire, but not much else.

Marc Adkins

Trebuchet wrote on Oct 3rd, 2007 at 9:01pm:
Another nibblet:

†My early experiments lead me to believe that, at least in my hands, a sling staff is more of a bombardment weapon than an accuracy weapon. †I may be wrong.

I usually am.

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Re: Did David use a staff sling?
Reply #42 - Oct 7th, 2007 at 7:08am
 
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OK, Slingers. You tell me: how fast can you get a sling into action assuming itís coiled in your throwing handís fist, both cords in place and ready?  Fifteen seconds?


thanks for the challenge Treb. after 5 or 6i  practice shots, 3 and a half seconds. and it's a fair bet that david was faster than we'll ever be

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