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Reply #75 - Mar 31st, 2007, 11:18am
 
Quote from Tint on Mar 31st, 2007, 6:31am:
I think a crossbows are simpler than what we are trying to make on this thread.

I thought I heard that crossbows were more expensive than bows but just became widespread because they were easier to use than a bow, or did I get it wrong? I'd guess the sling just disapeared from wars because of the staff slings and the first guns.
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Reply #76 - Mar 31st, 2007, 12:51pm
 
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okay slings fell out of use in battle for several reasons. 1) you can't aim a sling.  
Even a complete idiot can sight down a crossbow.  
2) you can teach someone to hit a barn door at 50 yards with a crossbow in about 5 mins (assuming you throw in a bit of safety about not putting your finger in the way of either the winding gears or the cord once you pull the trigger)  
It takes several days to get someone even halfway competent enough to hit a barn at fifty yards with a sling - and there's no guarentee it'll go through the door at that.  
 
It's as simple as that. crossbows are pretty much skill free for basic use.  
Even bows require technique and training.  
If you invest that training then a bowman will outshoot a crossbow.  
But both can be aimed and are more effective for battle than a sling, given how many trained crossbowmen or bowmen you can get in the same time you can turn out trained slingers.  
 
For practical purposes there's just no comparison I'm afraid.
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Reply #77 - Apr 1st, 2007, 8:22am
 
correlating a couple of threads.  
So could a smallish compound sling be used to sling paintballs or other low density ammo ?  
In which case I definitely want one as I've got 2000 bloody paintballs sitting around waiting for some way to hurl them at trees :-)
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Reply #78 - Apr 1st, 2007, 5:59pm
 
i've got it! i didn't really read this topic before, and now that i skimmed over it's 6 pages it took me half an hour, because i didn't percieve funslingers diagram. the release mechanism was a mistery to me, but now i've got it.
 
damn it. i won't be at peace untill i've tried this one  Angry
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Reply #79 - Apr 1st, 2007, 7:06pm
 
Well, I got my replica of Matthias's compound sling built, and tested it. About a dozen throws, of which two were decent (except that they took off 90 degrees to the left of where I intended).  The other throws were complete flops.  I believe that my automatic release was too eager.  Several times it released as I held the sling before even starting a windup.
 
When it did work, releasing the pouch from my hand was no problem at all.  The sliding booster mass (an 8-ounce fishing sinker) kept the cords tight.  The booster slid all the way down to a stopper knot, and did not stop of itself like Matthias described.
 
Tuning the rig (getting all the cord lengths just right) is going to take a while...
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Reply #80 - Apr 3rd, 2007, 4:08pm
 
Quote from curious_aardvark on Mar 31st, 2007, 12:51pm:


okay slings fell out of use in battle for several reasons. 1) you can't aim a sling.
Even a complete idiot can sight down a crossbow.
2) you can teach someone to hit a barn door at 50 yards with a crossbow in about 5 mins (assuming you throw in a bit of safety about not putting your finger in the way of either the winding gears or the cord once you pull the trigger)
It takes several days to get someone even halfway competent enough to hit a barn at fifty yards with a sling - and there's no guarentee it'll go through the door at that.

It's as simple as that. crossbows are pretty much skill free for basic use.
Even bows require technique and training.
If you invest that training then a bowman will outshoot a crossbow.
But both can be aimed and are more effective for battle than a sling, given how many trained crossbowmen or bowmen you can get in the same time you can turn out trained slingers.

For practical purposes there's just no comparison I'm afraid.

 
I'd say improved logistics killed the sling. Battles are won by superior weapons, wars are won by superior logistics. The sling is an extremely simple weapon. It only requires materials that are easily available everywhere (cord, cloth or leather), while powerful bows require special forms of wood. Composite bows are even more difficult to make. Crossbows are medieval high-tech, no less.
 
Slings can shoot stones or metal bullets, both of which are easy to obtain. Arrows and crossbow bolts require serious technology and skilled craftsmen (this is where all the people called "fletcher" or "arrowsmith" come from).
 
Of course, one can make bows and arrows in far simpler ways, but these hardly beat a sling.
 
So, when you have a supply system that transports bows and arrows to the front, the bow rules. If not, the archers can only run while the slinger keep shooting.  
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Reply #81 - Apr 13th, 2007, 1:18pm
 

I agree....and would go so far as to suggest that we all want to see some success stories even more!
 
 
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Reply #82 - Apr 13th, 2007, 1:27pm
 
To be honest, now that I know it CAN work, I have put it aside because it will take more time than I have right now to make it work RIGHT.
 
I'll get back to it one of these days ...
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Reply #83 - Apr 13th, 2007, 3:28pm
 
No slinging, compound or otherwise, for me in the forseeable future... Summer's coming though, so I have high hopes.
 
I've seen enough to have satisfied myself that the idea can/will be made to work. I'll even go so far as to say that it should be easily controlable and "relatively" safe. A better automatic release mechanism and some refinement should be enough... Further down the road there is lots of room for play.
 
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Reply #84 - Apr 13th, 2007, 3:37pm
 
What could possibly keep you from this singularly intriguing pursuit throughout the spring?  
 
 
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Reply #85 - Apr 13th, 2007, 4:34pm
 
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Reply #86 - Apr 13th, 2007, 5:30pm
 

Touche'.....that does sound doubly intriguing!
 
 
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Reply #87 - Apr 13th, 2007, 7:46pm
 
So, this member of the Flower Generation might get away with saying that you dig clams?
 
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Reply #88 - Apr 13th, 2007, 8:00pm
 

Everybody.......
 
 
(insert collective painful moan here)
 
 
That wasn't just unfunny.  It was somehow...diametrically opposed to funny. Peculiar, really.  You seem to be employing some innovative sort of active humor cancellation.  What is the source of your technology?
 
 
LOL
 
 
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Reply #89 - Apr 13th, 2007, 8:04pm
 
Aww, come on, it wasn't THAT bad ... was it?  undecided
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