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Reply #6000 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 10:17am
 
Yes I have no doubt that modern materials offer better performance

I made another one from willow bark. It's not the most optimal sling design but with big rocks it works good. Big rocks can make up for a lot of fabrication imperfections

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Reply #6001 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 3:00pm
 
I’ll bet that would be great with smaller ammo too with a patch of leather sewn over the pouch.
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Reply #6002 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 5:41pm
 
Jauke, that looks really nice. I'm very partial to naturally sourced slings at the moment (no premade bits).
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Reply #6003 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 5:45pm
 
jauke wrote on Jul 21st, 2020 at 7:17am:
I will eventually settle to only using traditional slings made from the field because my primary reason for the sling is as a tool for primitive survival. I've decided that getting good at competition throwing; ''sling as a sport'' is no longer relevant for me



That is funny. I've gone sort of the opposite direction. I think I'd really like to get into competition slinging. My first 12 years of slinging were only stones and a certain type of sling. Now I want to use consistent ammo so I can see what level of accuracy I can ultimately achieve. And I think I'll throw in naturally made fiber slings to mix things up.
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Reply #6004 - Jul 22nd, 2020 at 5:38pm
 
Jauke, Thats really cool! The strings on mine are made of elm bark, but I find them a little hard to knot sometimes.
How did you get the willow bark to be so smooth and supple? Mad Monkey Mad Monkey
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Reply #6005 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 2:31am
 
Well you do want to scrape the outerbark off and just use the innerbark but I assume you know that, that's where the strenght is.
The willow was still fresh and wet so it was very supple and easy to work with.
It has dried out now and has some set to it, nonetheless it still works very good. But don't use pebbles, heavier stiffer slings need some good weight rocks to open up properly and so far it's been slinging great, the only sling I have been using the last few days and I sling every day now.

You can make willow bark more permanently supple by boiling it into a pot with some ash for an amount of time, which I still want to try.

This willow bark is the easiest natural sling I have ever made. There's no messing about with loose fibers.  The willow bark is very fibrous but it is all nicely tucked away inside the bark with an outer protective layer. This layer is good for protecting the fibres from the stone abrasion. You just work with a few strips of bark. For a tapered effect all you do is taper-cut the bark for the release cord.

I still prefer twisting than braiding because (i think) twists are stronger, at least stronger than a flat braid with strips. I do know its faster to make, faster to dissassemble and twisting offers a lot of possibilities for splicing. I imagine some of the first slings of man were made of twisted fibre and braiding only starting coming in later when man had more free time to braid. Of course if you twist and braid the sling will be even stronger

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Reply #6006 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 8:56am
 
Here is a picture of the Y-sling that currently sees the most use in my arsenal
I've decided to completely leave out knotting the release cords together because this way the cords spread out the most ensuring no contact. Although it results in a little longer reloading process.

I am going to make a similar Y-sling out of 2 ply willow with a larger center. It should be a really easy/simple job of splicing. I am now boiling the willow to make it more permanently ply-able.

I said I would only use Y-slings still but I can't help but use both, even though it's not good for the learning process I feel as if I can adjust between the two quickly enough

I want to leave out leather from my builds completely because its not a material I can source out of nature readily enough
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Reply #6007 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 8:58am
 
Smiley I don't know make rope with bark. But I think that I can try.
Thank you for this video.
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Reply #6008 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 12:40pm
 
Ultra thin willow bark sling. Bark retrieved from a single stick of willow about 2 meters long and 4 cm diameter.  About 72 cm cords. Do not try to sling this at home  (in case it breaks) Wink
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Reply #6009 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 3:30pm
 
Looks good man. You’ve been really prolific lately, it makes for lots of interesting posts and ideas. One question, did you boil the cordage in ash and water or just use it straight from the tree?
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Reply #6010 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 3:16am
 
ALL three of my willow slings had the release knot blown off yesterday. Than again I abused them to see what they can take and it was to be expected. The thin one didn't last 5 throws. The thicker ones lasted about a ~150 throws. 

So, willow bark makes great quick cordage for stuff like water bottle slings, rafts or other to tie something down, but don't expect to make a long lasting sling from it.

I will focus on a different plant now.

@morphy I boiled one in just water, the other one in water+ash and one without any. But don't expect it to become stronger by boiling it, but it will become more supple.
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Reply #6011 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 7:34am
 
I decided to experiment a bit with round braid and a different pouch design. It turned out pretty nice but I think I still prefer flat braid with a minimalist tab for this type of sling. Material is jute (waxed). I'm really liking this woven fingerloop design. The thin cord parts pivot on your finger to stay on, yet it is really comfy.
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Reply #6012 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 7:39am
 
So nice. What a beautiful sling JudoP
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Reply #6013 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 10:29am
 
@Judo nice sling, pleasing to the eye
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Reply #6014 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 10:46am
 
Here is my new favorite sling design for the convential sling

My initial dilemma with the sling was the dilemma between retention and release. We want good retention and good release at the same time yet these contradict each other. A lot of slings offer a compromise between the two, while others are made solely to excel in retention (cup), making a good release hard and inconsistent, while others solely for release (flat), making a good windup hard and dangerous to the surroundings.

So how can we have perfect retention and perfect release (for a convential sling?)

Another dilemma with a sling is sideways stability. Some flexible sling pouches have a tendency to tilt sideways, dropping the stone out. One solution would be to make the pouch & cords stiffer and wider, but this comes at the cost of performance...

What we want is a sling that is cupped during retention phase but goes totally flat on a throw, perfect retention and perfect release.
We also want good sideways stability so the sling does not tilt, without sacrificing performance by adding stiffness or a lot of weight.

So how do we get this?

My solution to this problem is: Synching Cradle Pouch Sling

I started with this design a week ago and it is the design that recaptured my love for the convential sling after playing around with Y-slings.

It is a very simple design. The pouch must be made of any flexible (not stiff) material that can mold/adapt to the projectile you are throwing. This is essential for good retention.
As you place projectile inside the pouch, the cords will synch the pouch ''tight'', meaning the projectile will not move inside the pouch or be lost during wind up. The cradle design ensures perfect sideways stability making tilts impossible. Make sure you place the stone on the opposite side of where the cords run through (as in pictures! otherwise it will not release properly.)

Possible materials for the pouch: thin leather, piece of denim, or a square piece of weaving of any material you like, as long as its not too stiff.

When you release, the synch goes away, the pouch goes flat or even pops out the other side, ensuring a good release without sacrificing retention during wind up.
+ you get the benefit of having the retention cord, pouch and release cord as seperate entities that can be removed and replaced by new ones without having to sacrifice the whole sling  Smiley

The rest will be self explanatory through these pictures
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