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Reply #5925 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:37pm
 
jauke wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 2:59pm:
There's no doubt in my mind his sling is the most stable one I have used. The square braid and the taper ensures that the cords will never twist during spinning and that the sling will open up correctly (haven't had the cords twist around each other after a throw, ever) That's a good thing. But is it worth the trade off of using a sling that requires more energy to use, I don't know.

The whip snap is really cool, and makes using it fun, especially to impress others. Other than that it's not really beneficial to a sling and would betray position but could also be a nuisance to neighbours. I think I prefer a tab. You would never hear where its coming from.

Yes I agree, because it is so thick it resists twisting very well, and is also very predictable as a result. Because it is a sling designed purely for target practice, power isn't really a priority. I would imagine that slings used for war would have been lighter.
The tassel that makes the crack however, does serve a purpose that is more than just entertainment. It exists because it dissipates the energy of the release cord just after the throw. With a sling that heavy it is especially important as there would an uncomfortable amount of "recoil" if it wasn't there.
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Reply #5926 - Jun 16th, 2020 at 2:14pm
 
Staff sling and a 500g rock
I've yet to test it out

First I had it with a mersa pouch, which worked well with rocks up to 300 gram, then it started to tip sideways. I decided to go with a cradle pouch instead.
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Reply #5927 - Jun 16th, 2020 at 4:00pm
 
So... tested it out tonight. It was too late to put it on film and I couldn't find my tripod, anyway
this time I just threw chunks of gravel, 300-600 gramms. Pieces of broken brick, broken roof tiles, anything goes.

This cradle pouch works better than the y-sling. It holds it well. I managed to throw them between 30 and 60 meters throwing against the wind. It is a lot of fun. I threw about 30 rocks and I hardly  feel it. I would not be able to have thrown these rocks further with a regular sling. They were so shit you couldn't imagine, but the staff will throw it. I imagine a good smooth 250-300g rock can reach 70-100 meters.

Once I feel I've maxxed the staff sling it I will try and put something decent on film with a tripod.
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Reply #5928 - Jun 16th, 2020 at 5:15pm
 
jauke wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 4:00pm:
Pieces of broken brick, broken roof tiles, anything goes.


This is why I really love staff slings. It really feels like you can chuck in anything and send it flying. Hand slings I feel require that little bit more finesse.

I'm still really surprised staff slings (hand slings as well but particularly staff slings) don't turn up more in riots. They're the perfect weapon for an urban environment in that you can pick up almost anything and impart a serious amount of force to it and then if you can't find anything to throw you still have a big stick.

*DISCLAIMER* I do not mean by my comment that I WANT staff slings or hand slings to be used in any riots/protests! These are weapons of war and can easily kill people and I am against the killing of people.

I just find it strange that these haven't been implemented by people that don't have the same qualms about hurting others that I have.
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Reply #5929 - Jun 17th, 2020 at 4:59am
 
More streamlined Y-sling, or 3 point sling, or whatever you want to call it

I figured an easy way to explain the Y-sling is as follows

- a traditional sling distributes the weight of the stone 50% on the release cord, 50% on the retention cord. When the release cord is let go, 50% of the force that holds the stone goes away, the other 50% still wants to hold the stone. So the stone has to work against this 50% that still wants to hold the stone. As it fights and triumphs over this other 50% with friction and delay, the stone will get an extreme spin to it, a proper rifle spin on biconicals can be achieved. Thus stones can be thrown fast and far. But accuracy may be harder, and it takes more training to get a clean release.

- The 3 point sling or y-sling has 100% of the weight on the release cord(s). When the release cord is let go, nothing major holds the stone back (except the neglegible resistance of the pouch). There is no real friction, thus no real rifling. You cannot sling as far or rifle the projectile. Throwing it is more like throwing a bola, potentially easier to get accurate with.  This is also why some call them precision slings. More spherical ammo is optimal  for this sling.

You could in fact make most solid pouch slings into an  y-sling by simply attaching another cord to the middle side of your pouch to make your retention cord, and refurbish your previous release and retention cord into two release cords, either seperate or knotted together.
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Reply #5930 - Jun 17th, 2020 at 5:49am
 
I just discovered that I could use this sling either as an y-sling, or as a regular sling   Shocked
If I want to use it as an Y-sling, I release both release cords on a throw.
If I want to use it as a normal sling, I only release one of the release cords, while retaining the other. This means the projectile will roll out of the pouch as with a normal sling and get the friction that is needed for rifling.
This means I potentially have a sling here that is both optimized for long distance when releasing only 1 cord, as it can then utilize rifling biconicals, but also easier short distance accuracy if I swap to releasing 2 release cords, which gives the immediate release/bola-like throw Shocked Shocked
This needs more testing
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Reply #5931 - Jun 17th, 2020 at 6:09am
 
Here showing what I mean, I have added another fingerloop in one of the release cords so I can switch more easily.

2 in 1  Shocked Grin

I just used it, slinging in a forest, swapping fort between regular and y-sling configuration.
There is a definite higher velocity with the standard sling, but the release is noticeably postponed compared with the Y-sling. Jagged rocks threw a lot more accurate with the Y-sling, as they don't spin as fast that they take on weird flight paths, as I am used to happening with the regular sling and jagged rocks. It's really hard to say which is better, both work well. But maybe the Y-sling is better suited for bad ammo than the regular sling, because spin on the projectiles is generally disadvantegous on assymetrical uneven rocks, unless you are just slinging bad rocks for funny sounds into the distance  Grin. But the velocity of the Y sling is not as high, but I think still plenty powerful. This trimmed down design is better than my previous ones. I hope I inspired some other here to try out this design, it is not hard to make. The throw is unique and fun, like throwing a reloadable bola.  I would love to hear your experiences with it.
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Reply #5932 - Jun 18th, 2020 at 12:35am
 
I enjoy learning about your experimentation, I want to focus on one sling and get good with it, and therefore don't experiment much with sling types. It's really interesting to see all the designs everyone comes up with. Maybe I will once I feel I've mastered my current sling type.  Your accuracy with this sling was impressive.
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Reply #5933 - Jun 18th, 2020 at 5:47pm
 
Just arrived from the Netherlands.  Thanks Jauke!
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Reply #5934 - Jun 19th, 2020 at 2:03am
 
I am glad they arrived.  The jute sling is a really simple design if anyone wants to copy it.
You just start with 3 long strands of jute of about 4 meters long. (that would give you roughly a sling with a 60-70 cm retention cord.

Then you fold the 3 strands in halve, and exactly at the middle you start a reverse twist 2 ply.
After you've twisted about 10 cm into cord, you pull the cords through the top part so create the adjustable finger loop. Now you just continue doing the 2 ply twist, until you get where you want your pouch to be. Now take a short piece of scrap jute string and tie it off where you want the pouch to start.

Make sure the strands are even and seperate. After tying it off so it doesn't unrafel, you can start weaving the 6 strand pouch. Try it weave it symmetrically, tapering the beginning and the end. After you've gotten a small part done you can remove the scrap piece of jute, the weave will hold it together now. Once you've reached the destired length, just group the 6 strands of the pouch back into two groups of 3 strands, now reverse ply the 2 groups around each other until you reach the end of your release cord. Tie a knot or weave a tab with the remainders. It takes about 2-4 hours to make.

I did not find this sling tutorial anywhere on the net, I just thought it was logical to make a sling like this. It's not exactly up to the standards of a King Tut or a Balaeric but I think it's a lot easier and quicker and it slings just as well in my experience.  For the time it takes to make you get nice primitive looking thing with a relatively smooth release, and all you need to make it are your hands, some twine and few hours of spare time, no other tools, weaving boards, needles or days and days of work.
It's also a design that's easy to recreate with natural fibres of own harvest and the design I intend to make my nettle sling out of.  It requires a lot less fibre than a Balearic sling
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Reply #5935 - Jun 20th, 2020 at 2:59pm
 
This is a 2mm polypropylene six-strand braided sling I made a couple of weeks back. It's my fourth sling I think. Tried to experiment with adding additional strands for the pouch and tapering the release cord with a replaceable snapper. Didn't turn out as nice as I'd like but I'm still happy to have tried. Certainly not nearly as nice as some of the pieces I see posted here
Edit: aimed at a medium length of 70cm folded since I have slings that are too long and too short for me haha ...
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Reply #5936 - Jun 20th, 2020 at 5:09pm
 
18" sisal 'light' Balearic sling with semi-nylon tassel, and a 200g stone for reference.
Weight with leather: 1.15 oz
I've found this length to be very practical up to 50y with 200g stones (haven't tested max range yet, but is probably about 100y with the same stones).
It's very handy, and probably my new favourite.
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Reply #5937 - Jun 20th, 2020 at 5:15pm
 
Very colourful, good WojtekimbieR! What type of braid did you use for the pouch?
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Reply #5938 - Jun 20th, 2020 at 9:25pm
 
WojtekimbieR wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 2:59pm:
This is a 2mm polypropylene six-strand braided sling I made a couple of weeks back. It's my fourth sling I think. Tried to experiment with adding additional strands for the pouch and tapering the release cord with a replaceable snapper. Didn't turn out as nice as I'd like but I'm still happy to have tried. Certainly not nearly as nice as some of the pieces I see posted here

Looks great! It's nicer than any of mine, at least Grin I've never been able to really do much with the end of release cord, myself - How did you do that with yours?
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Reply #5939 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 5:06am
 
Way of the Sling wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 5:15pm:
Very colourful, good WojtekimbieR! What type of braid did you use for the pouch?


Captain_Twine wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 9:25pm:
Looks great! It's nicer than any of mine, at least Grin I've never been able to really do much with the end of release cord, myself - How did you do that with yours?

Thanks! For the pouch I used a 6-strand flat braid from the tutorial I followed at T. J. Potter's website www.seekyee.com/Slings/index.htm which, weirdly, no longer seems to work for me. The release knot is a 4-strand crown stopper knot with ends melted flat. I forgot to plan ahead for any reasonable way to attach a removable cracker, so I simply tied that onto the release cord.
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