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Feb 16th, 2007 at 11:06am
 
Hi friends.

I've been using various kinds of slinging techniques, but now I want to learn the apache style throw. That is, the overhand throw without any twirles at all. I've tryed using my favourite sling (leather, about 54 cms loop to pouch), which according the the article is a couple of cms short.
http://www.slinging.org/22.html

The thing is that I now want a lighter but slightly longer sling, with a good but small pouch for minimum air resistance. Yet I don't have such good materal available as described in the article, so I'll make my own design. I've been thinking of copying this style pouch:


LoboHunter's design:
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The top one of these beautiful slings by Dale:
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What do you think, LoboHunter and Dale, about these pouches? I get the feeling that they have a tendency of entangling the stone at reliese. Is it so?

Does anyone have experience of the apache throw? What kind of sling do you use?

Thanks
Jonas
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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2007 at 11:24am
 
Hey Nasse,
Apache is one of the throws that I'm working on now. I'm a huge fan of no wind up casts.
My experience witht he apache style is that it works really well with short sling. If you are comfortable with the length of your current sling Use it the extra couple of cm won't make that much of a diffrence.
I don't have it with me but my first sling measured from the center of my chest to my fingertips when my arm is fully extended. this is the length that I am most comfortable with. I have also used the apache style with my Tibetian yak hair sling which is about half as short as my first sling. I spent more time adjusting to the length than i did with the actual cast. I have a sling that i call "brickbat" beacause I designed it to throw really big rocks with it. It also is the length of my the chest to fingertips. Similar performance to the first one.
My last sling is really bleeping long it measures from my fingertips to my far shoulder. Apache style with this sling is problematic due to it having the tendancy to drag the ground. I have to adjust my casting style with this one and it doesn't make it too comfortable to use with this casting style. Now for the "Belini David" sidearm style it's wicked but it is just too long for the Apache style.

Now I'm still working on my accuracy right now and I definately lean towards, within the range that Mr. Forsyth talks about in his article, a shorter sling with this style is definately the way to go.

Let us know how you are doing as you gain expierence.

Marc Adkins


Jonas.N wrote on Feb 16th, 2007 at 11:06am:
Hi friends.

I've been using various kinds of slinging techniques, but now I want to learn the apache style throw. That is, the overhand throw without any twirles at all. I've tryed using my favourite sling (leather, about 54 cms loop to pouch), which according the the article is a couple of cms short.
http://www.slinging.org/22.html

The thing is that I now want a lighter but slightly longer sling, with a good but small pouch for minimum air resistance. Yet I don't have such good materal available as described in the article, so I'll make my own design. I've been thinking of copying this style pouch:


LoboHunter's design:
...

The top one of these beautiful slings by Dale:
...


What do you think, LoboHunter and Dale, about these pouches? I get the feeling that they have a tendency of entangling the stone at reliese. Is it so?

Does anyone have experience of the apache throw? What kind of sling do you use?

Thanks
Jonas

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Reply #2 - Feb 16th, 2007 at 4:47pm
 
I don't have tangle probs not sure about dale lol Grin
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Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2007 at 5:33pm
 
That pouch design is one of my favorites!  No, it doesn't get tangled.  But the design works best with stiffer leather.  I made one using that design, but of flexible leather (deerskin), and it did not work well at all.

I try to do my Apache-style casts, as close as I can to how Forsyth described it.  My sling is  about four inches (ten centimeters) clear of the ground when hanging from my hand.  With a tennis ball, I can now reliably hit my target at about 15 yards (or 15 meters), three times out of ten (the other seven are close, but a miss is a miss).  With a golf ball I can reach farther, but of course I am less accurate.
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Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2007 at 8:35pm
 
He Nasse!
I actually prefer to use a shorter sling when using the apache style throw.
I also use a larger rock than usual so that i may feel the weight of the stone as i sling it. This helps keep the sling taut and the accuracy is greatly increased.
The apache style is also great for pointing at the target at the end so that the rock flies straight.
I'd experiment with different things and find whats comfortable for you.
Good luck! Have fun! and Keep us posted.
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Reply #5 - Feb 17th, 2007 at 9:18am
 
Thanks guys for your good replies  Smiley

OK, yet one thing: I've made up my mind about this kind of pouch, although I'm not yet sure about the type of string. Forsyth says that ligh and strong strings with minimum air resistance is the best. This creates a bit of problem about this pouch. It appears the strings has to be able to be exposed to wear. Forsyth says that leather strings are ruled out. Yeah, well, I'll have to look for good string material..

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That pouch design is one of my favorites!  No, it doesn't get tangled.  But the design works best with stiffer leather.  I made one using that design, but of flexible leather (deerskin), and it did not work well at all.


Thanks Dale. The skin I use is 2 to 2½ mm leather from cow. I hope it's stiff enough. What kind of string is that on the picture? Paracord-something? Damn I'm getting sick of trying to find strings in Sweden, as I don't know the faq words for them.

Well, thats for now, got to go.

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Reply #6 - Feb 17th, 2007 at 11:32am
 
Paracord?
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Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2007 at 11:49am
 
yeah.. first, is that a string? Secondly, what is the main use, what is it made of etc? It seems almost impossible to find proper strings in Sweden. Or maybe it's just me.
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Reply #8 - Feb 17th, 2007 at 6:06pm
 
Nasse,
Everyone in Europe gets frustrated trying to find the string under the names they use in America.
But there are loads of kinds of string in Europe that will do the work too.
Start looking in shops where they sell string and rope for sailingboats.
Or try to contact a parachuting school to ask what they use for cords between the parachute and the person below it. Whatever they call it, it will do the job of paracord.
You might even be able to get some leftover string from them, because they will need certain lengths and the left bits might not get used? But that is just a guess as I have never been parachuting.
If you are not concerned about colour there should be a lot of string you can use.

For most purposes, (including many kinds of sling) you can also buy the white braided polysomething cords they sell in many shops all over Europa, I expect also in Sweden.
In Germany they even had it in different colours.
Shops where you buy things for building, camping and household things are good hunting-ground.

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Reply #9 - Feb 17th, 2007 at 6:10pm
 
Willeke wrote on Feb 17th, 2007 at 6:06pm:
For most purposes, (including many kinds of sling) you can also buy the white braided polysomething cords they sell in many shops all over Europa, I expect also in Sweden.


Polypropylen rope? I bought 30 meters of that with 2 mm diameter. It keeps getting twisted and it is fraying a lot.
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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2007 at 6:13pm
 
me too, what do you mean willeke? I bet we're not talking about the same stuff
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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2007 at 6:14pm
 
I would go for the 5 mm version because it is not as easily twisted, but the 2 mm is very good for braided strings.

http://knopen.ismijnhobby.nl/tables/braid_traditional_table.html

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Reply #12 - Feb 18th, 2007 at 6:53am
 
Any camping shop will sell parachord type cord. My local shop calls it general purpose cord. But anything that's suitable for tent guy ropes will do fine for sling strings. And camping shops tend to have a variety as well :-)
Nylon based cord is better than polypropylene as it's that bit tougher. polyprop is quite soft - why it frays.
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Reply #13 - Feb 19th, 2007 at 2:35pm
 
Okay, now I have a good clue where to find good strings. Smiley
If found that the strings used for Venetian blinds (persienna, or what it's called in english, hope you know what I'm talking about), are very strong and durable. I think they might be very good for braided slings.
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Reply #14 - Feb 19th, 2007 at 3:14pm
 
They are good, strong enough and rather smooth.
If you tie knots, make sure that they are tightened well, but once they are set they should stay in.

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