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Jan 29^th, 2007 at 12:58pm

It seems that there have been leather objects found since at least 1970 that are more than likely sling pouches. Because the archeologists couldn't ID them, they are listed as unknown.
The best one is at the Southampton museum in England. It dates from the 16th cent. It is nearly the exact same thing as the 8th. cent sling pouches that were found in Hedeby, Denmark. The museum there has it labeled as a "shoe tongue".
in speaking with the curator at Southampton, he informed me that the museum has to rely on the opinion of the so called experts. They can do nothing on their own to change the ID.
This sling pouch can be viewed online at http://sccwwwl.southampton.gov.uk/archeology//search.asp. The ID number is A2001.35.22.
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Willeke Interfector Viris Spurii Past Moderator Offline Give me some string and I know what to do. Posts: 2072 Netherlands Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #1 - Jan 29^th, 2007 at 1:11pm I had some troubles getting into the site and getting the right picture. I hope this direct link works: http://sccwww1.southampton.gov.uk/archaeology/view.asp?acc_num=A.2001.35.22 Willeke
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Matthias Past Moderator Offline Posts: 1418 Gatineau/Ottawa QC, Canada Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #2 - Jan 29^th, 2007 at 1:22pm Well... I have sling pouches made from leather shoe tongues, but if they came pre-shaped like that (complete with holes in the ends and everything), it would certainly make life a little simpler. Those Castle Mound slinging.org-ers sure had it easy! Matthias
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slingbadger Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Don't Badger a Badger Posts: 3220 Akron NY Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #3 - Jan 29^th, 2007 at 5:25pm By the way, check out the entire site. They have artifacts from all over the world there. quite fascinating
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Dale Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 1581 California, USA Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #4 - Jan 29^th, 2007 at 8:05pm Obviously a sling pouch, and I emailed the museum and said so. I suggested they find Robert Dohrenwend and ask his opinion. I hope they have better luck finding him than I have had.
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CanDo Interfector Viris Spurii Past Moderator Offline Posts: 1652 New England, USA Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #5 - Jan 29^th, 2007 at 10:06pm That's quite the shoe tongue... This is an example of just one of the many reasons that I despise schooling.
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Reply #6 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 6:51am

Great finds! I guess anyone on this site would immediately say 'sling pocket' - but don't be too hard on archaeologists Wink

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As for whose opinion they would listen to? Maybe not Dohrenwend since he's not a card carrying archaeologist - as far as I know. Perhaps best to find the people/group who did the original work (which is probably written up in some journal) and discuss it with them. They _may_ have considered sling pockets (unlikely?) and rejected the attribution for some reason we don't know about.

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Reply #7 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 10:24am

I have already contacted the curator and expressed concern for the mis labeling. I told him how to contact the Hedeby Museum in Denamrk so that he can coordinate with them. There is apparently others that have been found, one in York ( Jorvik) that dates from the Viking age, and another one in Ireland from the 12th cent. While I haven't viewed these 2, the general description of them matches the one in Southampton. The curator said he will be contacting these places and do some coordinating with them.
It seems that the archeological team responsible for this were hired, like a company, to do the digging/ID.

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wanderer Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 1360 Texas Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #8 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 11:22am Slingbadger - great work! I wonder how many more strange looking shoe tongues lurk in museum collections? Still, it would seem to be a pretty rare find.
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Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #9 - Jan 31^st, 2007 at 7:01am definitely a sling pouch. Why would you cut slits in a show tongue ? Or attach it sideways. Course it would be a neat way of sneaking a sling past guards. you could even leave the strings attached :-)
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bigkahuna past-moderator Offline Posts: 3894 Delaware, USA Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #10 - Feb 5^th, 2007 at 12:47am Well, so much for the "Experts". If that's a shoe tongue I'll eat it.
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Re: new sling finds
Reply #11 - Feb 5^th, 2007 at 2:53am

bigkahuna wrote on Feb 5^th, 2007 at 12:47am:

Well, so much for the "Experts". If that's a shoe tongue I'll eat it. Tongue

AAaawwww, Bigkahuna! Reduced to eating old shoe leather!
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Kudos to you, Slingbadger! When I clicked on Willike's direct link, the moment the image came up the little voice in the back of my mind yelled: "Sling pouch!!" Smiley

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Reply #12 - Feb 5^th, 2007 at 1:24pm

They will only update the find if an expert can confirm that that is what the object is. By expert, they usually mean someone with a degree, but, as he admits, they can't be experts in all things.
Unfrortunatly, as a curator, his hands are tied, so, let's not be too hard on them. I have given him all the information I have on the Hedeby slings, and supposed others that have been forund in Jorvik ( York) and in Dublin.
If anybody has connections, and other information that could help out the curator, please pass it on. As the saying goes, It is easier to light a candle than curse the dark.

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Reply #13 - Feb 5^th, 2007 at 1:57pm

I've got a patch of leather, and a printout of the "shoe-tongue" sketch. If I can make a replica, and show that it definitely is a sling pouch, and describe the construction techniques (e.g., soaking it in warm water, wrapping it around a stone to stretch to the proper shape, etc), would that convince them? Or do I need a degree in archaeology before I am deemed competent to soak leather in water?

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Mordechaj Funditor Offline I love Slinging.org! Posts: 576 zagreb, croatia (europe) Gender:	Re: new sling finds Reply #14 - Feb 5^th, 2007 at 2:35pm it's not that they don't believe that it's a sling-pouch, but rather that they need someone with a degree to say it officialy.
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