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Red Squirrel Descens Offline A.K.A BritishandProud Posts: 110 U.K/G.B Gender:	a question about law Oct 23^rd, 2006 at 1:56pm hi chaps,hope u can shed light on this 4 me ???. do any of u know if its legal 2 hunt with slings in britain? forgive my curiosity, (i don't wish to sound like bugger : ) thought some of my fellow brits may be the best people to ask. all info welcome. with thanks in advance, britishandproud.
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Re: a question about law
Reply #1 - Oct 23^rd, 2006 at 5:19pm

BritishandProud,
First, I do not live in Britain, I do visit it from time to time but do not really know the law.
But as far as I remember from the discussions here it is not allowed to hunt in England (maybe all of britain) without a permit and you can only get a permit if your weapon is within the rules. All primitive weapons, including slings, are not allowed.

You might be able to find the info online, but it might be hard to find. (I was able to find the explanation on the law in my home country, the Netherlands, but had a hard time to understand it.)

Second,
Welcome to the forum.

Third,
please remember we are a worldwide forum with people speaking many different languages and from many different age-groups. So can you please try to write the words in full. It is hard for people who pronounce numbers a different way to see that 4 = for if they see 4 and think vier or négy.

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Re: a question about law
Reply #2 - Oct 24^th, 2006 at 12:16pm

[quote author=Willeke date=10/23/06 at 17:19:58]BritishandProud,
Third,
please remember we are a worldwide forum with people speaking many different languages and from many different age-groups. So can you please try to write the words in full. It is hard for people who pronounce numbers a different way to see that 4 = for if they see 4 and think vier or négy.

sorry for the above, willeke, Embarrassed

i'll remember that in future.

thanks for the info and the welcome,

i guess i'll have to reign in on the blood lust! Wink

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wannabeslinger Ex Member	Re: a question about law Reply #3 - Oct 24^th, 2006 at 12:57pm its illegal to hunt in england as far as i know
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Red Squirrel Descens Offline A.K.A BritishandProud Posts: 110 U.K/G.B Gender:	Re: a question about law Reply #4 - Oct 24^th, 2006 at 4:30pm thanks wannabeslinger you know, the funny thing is that people in the u.k (especially where i live) complain about rabbits etc. being a pest and that their numbers are growing. the simple solution is to legalise hunting with bows and slings. problem solved.
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Re: a question about law
Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2006 at 6:43am

hi BaP - welcome to a fellow Brit!

it is perfectly legal to shoot "pest species" with air rifles or shotguns in the UK without a permit other than a FAC for a shotgun (or also an air rifle in n. ireland)

i am almost sure that it is ok to shoot these so-called pest species with stone-throwing devices. barnett catapults are sold with ridiculous fierce killer rat pictures on the box.

i have shot and killed pest birds with a catapult (legal) and rats with same (legal) and also rats with a bow (illegal i think!) i have also hunted with firearms but i sold them years ago - they are boring noisy toys, designed to make life easy for people with no skill in the art of projectilism

however i am now anti-hunting and would only kill in a survival situation. otherwise the only living target i would shoot at is a burglar - in a survival situation

one last thing - i would guess that with very few exceptions no-one on this forum is accurate enough to hunt with a sling.

if there was a goup of us slinging at a large flock of birds we might hit one - otherwise i would forget it

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Re: a question about law
Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2006 at 8:02am

I'd back pretty much what sv has just written, although I have been out of touch with the UK situation for a long time.

If an animal is classed as 'vermin', then it's literally open season on them, and the restrictions on hunting 'game' don't apply.

Leeds_lobber did mention an incident he had with a duck. Wonder if he can explain further since he seems to have some connections to the legal profession?

Then, of course, laws may differ between England and Scotland

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Given current attitude in the UK, I wouldn't want to start fighting to formally legalise the sling, since it would likely be immediately banned Angry

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The main thing it has going for it is that most people think a sling is a bit of a toy (David and Goliath not excepted), and maybe also that it is hard to get good with it.

As for helping to keep down rabbits with a sling - again I agree with sv. I'd back a man with a dog or a ferret against a large group of slingers any day.

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Red Squirrel Descens Offline A.K.A BritishandProud Posts: 110 U.K/G.B Gender:	Re: a question about law Reply #7 - Oct 25^th, 2006 at 2:25pm thanks for the replies, s.v and wanderer i agree with u about there not being many people accurate or skilled enough to bring down a small animal with a sling on this site or,indeed, else where (myself included,i've just started ). still, no harm in aspiring to (or should i say dreaming of?!) perfection.
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wanderer Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 1360 Texas Gender:	Re: a question about law Reply #8 - Oct 26^th, 2006 at 7:17am BritishandProud, Like you I am new to slinging, and share your aspirations to perfection. Given the posts here, I know I have a long way to go. BTW I thought the British Britannia had two n's?
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Re: a question about law
Reply #9 - Oct 27^th, 2006 at 1:38am

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thanks for the replies, s.v and wanderer

i agree with u about there not being many people accurate or skilled enough to bring down a small animal with a sling on this site or,indeed, else where (myself included,i've just started Embarrassed

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still, no harm in aspiring to (or should i say dreaming of?!) perfection. Cheesy

Greetings, BaP, and welcome to the forum!
I just wanted to mention that there have been several discussions of small game hunting or pest control on the forum over the past few months. Have you considered using "throwing sticks"
( also called "rabbit sticks?" ) I have done a bit of tinkering with these and they are easier to hit with than a sling ( although they only work at short ranges. ) Look back several pages in the "Other Primitive Weapons" section of the forum, or do a google search.
.......Dan

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Red Squirrel Descens Offline A.K.A BritishandProud Posts: 110 U.K/G.B Gender:	Re: a question about law Reply #10 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 7:07am thanks dan, i'll take a look. well spotted wanderer! it was, of course, a deliberate mistake as a reward for your vigillance a prize and Blue Peter badge are on the way to you via royal mail
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Re: a question about law
Reply #11 - Oct 28^th, 2006 at 9:37am

Thankyou BaP, I will treasure the badge always, or atleast until the eBay price increases sufficiently

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I've been experimenting a bit with throwing recently, and realise that maybe a lot of us might be 'almost good enough' for the hunting. The only style I feel anywhere close to happy with (the Apache, I suppose) seems to be the method of choice for hunting.

What I do with it now is 'throw' (with or without a runup

) exactly like a classical pace delivery in cricket. I think this may be more 'side on' than the 'real' Apache, but for me it works, and my accuracy (at least horizontally) is probably as good or better than when bowling a cricket ball. Now I have got the timing better, it also goes a lot faster from the sling than I ever bowled it!

I guess what I'm saying is, if you have played cricket much (and bowled) you may be at an advantage when it comes to hunting. Also, maybe it is better for any of us to 'hijack' the biomechanics we have picked up from cricket, baseball, whatever rather than adapt to a fixed recipe. Good luck!

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