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Reply #15 - May 4th, 2005 at 6:10pm
 
yes do you see how they are curved (the oars) i think that they are pretty big slings.  but i know little in this kind of thing.  Smiley
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Reply #16 - May 5th, 2005 at 1:28am
 
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Matthias, do you have any more images? 

Maybe someone can find a bronze age/viking/professor/historian and see what he/she things.  Hit up a university near you and let us know.

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Reply #17 - May 5th, 2005 at 11:53am
 
Yeah, I re-surface everyonce in a while!  The weather's warmed up and the sling comes out.

The size differences in the pictograph don't really make a difference, the artists weren't interested in creating the image to scale - look at the size of the guys compared to the boat!  So, those aren't necessarily huge slings, just representative. 

The square sail isn't as indicative as one would think, but the rudder certainly is.  I'm going to change my vote over to scandinavian. Smiley

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Reply #18 - May 5th, 2005 at 12:37pm
 
No kidding... square sails are pretty much everywhere but by lots of reckoning, bronze age boats aren't supposed to have stern rudders. The bow detail is pretty distinctive - unfortunately it is representative of ships found throughout europe. The Scandinavian pictographs are the closest I've found though... The lack of an upswept stern is telling too.

Chris do you have any other info about when/where you might have found this? Working on any projects at the time?

I think the obvious solution here might be for me to walk this over to the maritime archaeology prof and see what he can tell me.

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Reply #19 - May 5th, 2005 at 11:05pm
 
Hard to say, given artistic license.....but I'd say oars or swords....based mainly on the the impression one gets of a band of men all pointing their weapons ( ??) at each other...viz the habit of yelling and waving your weapon at the enemy prior to battle.....also I'd be going for a steering oar at the back their rather than a rudder...
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Reply #20 - May 7th, 2005 at 3:09am
 
"Chris do you have any other info about when/where you might have found this? Working on any projects at the time? "

It's creation date is Aug 8, 2004.  That must be the day I downloaded it.

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Reply #21 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 2:36am
 
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Reply #22 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 2:55pm
 
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That's not funny, that's style plain and simple... Some of the Lascaux (for example) paintings have a quality of line and form that can make an artist shiver, and those are 17000 yrs old.

I guess since we don't know where the image comes from we don't know who made the interpretation that it is depicting slings.  I guess we'll never know if tthose egg-people are wielding slings, or pointy paddles or?..


maby they are just carrying shields?
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Reply #23 - Dec 22nd, 2006 at 4:18pm
 
early fishermen beating the water to trap fish in the nets ( /// slanted lines) ???
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Reply #24 - Dec 22nd, 2006 at 4:22pm
 
i dont think it is half way finneshed, there is no rudder on the righte boat...
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Reply #25 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 3:22pm
 
If the pictures would really show slings this weapon must have been rather common. But in that case there should be at least significant numbers of sling stones found at archeological sites. Sling stones or clay balls are the best and most common evidence for the use of the sling.
My question: has there been found any sling ammo in Sweden?  (Concerning Danmark or the Cimbric peninsula I haven't heard about findings of sling ammo, so far.) Undecided

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Re: Where is this image from?
Reply #26 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 4:41pm
 
We have discussed Viking slings several times, here are 2 links: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=10768576%2075
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152377999/2#2
I do not know where in the viking world they were found.

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Reply #27 - Sep 1st, 2012 at 11:30am
 
Just for the record, that is the "Stele di Novilara", a Picenian engraved stone dating the 7th Century b.C. found in Novilara, region Marche, Italy.
It depicts a naval battle between a ship of Picenian or Illirian pirates and a ship of Picenian mercenaries that are defending a Greek ship.
Some details are missing in our representation here but on the original you can see dead people, slaves and agricultural products which are what the Greek ship was filled with.
Please note how both rudder on the Picenian ships were on a central position, turning on hinges, something that will be forgot and discovered again only in the late Middle Age.
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http://www.cadnet.marche.it/novilara/pagina3.html
http://etadelferro.forumfree.it
M. Fiorentini, "Lavorare con il fuoco - la metallurgia fra aspetti tecnici e storici per un'interpretazione antropologica", Ancona 2011.
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Re: Where is this image from?
Reply #28 - Sep 2nd, 2012 at 6:42am
 
and the curvy things are most likely swords not slings.
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Reply #29 - Sep 2nd, 2012 at 7:57am
 
Actually, I think at least 3 of them may be read as slings; the image we have on this site is incomplete because it doesn't depicts the dead bodies under the ship on the right; which are quite far from people on the left ship, so perhaps have been hit with some range weapon.
It's important to say that the first interpretation of that stele was that these people are wielding spears. Never seen a recurved spear before  Cheesy
I quite agree with the swords too because there were long curved swords in ancient Illiria (the opposite shore of the Picenum), but such long swords have not yet been found in the Picenum.
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