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Reply #300 - Jun 5th, 2019 at 10:18am
 
and david cut his head off - just to make sure Smiley
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Reply #301 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 12:46am
 
There are many pictures of the valley of elah, where this battle took place, just do a search on yahoo. It is my belief that Goliath having a helmet of any kind, is not a valid argument for him to not be hit in the forehead, As he likely would have pushed his helmet up to see better, not taking David as a serious threat, and as for Goliath falling face down after being hit with a slingstone, as an army medic I can tell you that a bullit will not knock a forward moving soldier on his back, how much less a stone, smaller than an egg, would knock backward someone of goliaths stature.  His head would have rocked back, but not his body, it would have fallen forward. I believe it happened exsactly like it is described in the KJV Bible. He was done for, even before David lopped his head off with his own sword.  By the way, in " the complete works of Josephus" a famous historian, there is also an account of this story. That agrees with the Bible
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Reply #302 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 6:33am
 
Many "True Christians" here in America believe that the KJV is the one true Bible. According to them, it was written by Jesus himself, in English.
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Reply #303 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 6:46am
 
Wait... KJV stands for King James Version right? Do they... not know when King James ruled?
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Reply #304 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:29am
 
NO. They are very ignorant of history. It doesn't fit their view of the world.
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Reply #305 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 9:13am
 
LOL, what I meant was that they added a few more cubits to Goliath's height.
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Reply #306 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 11:42pm
 
Here's an interesting and somewhat measured article that reflects on 3 extra-biblical discoveries related to King David: https://theophilogue.com/2009/04/24/extrabiblical-evidence-for-king-david/
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Reply #307 - Jan 18th, 2020 at 2:46pm
 
Here’s a question for all you Bible scholars: After David acquired fame and fortune for killing Goliath, did he continue to use a sling in battle?
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Reply #308 - Jan 19th, 2020 at 9:13am
 
at that point I guess they'd form a slinger unit, plus didn't he become king shortly after ?
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Reply #309 - Jan 20th, 2020 at 8:49am
 
I see one mention of elite soldiers who could shoot arrows and sling stones with either hand, but nothing about how David fought after the account of his battle with Goliath. There was quite a bit of time before David became king. The king’s son gifted him a bow and armor, so I am curious if the sling was still a go-to weapon or not after he had nicer things. Slinging might be pretty difficult depending on the armor. I was hoping someone here might know more about that.
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Reply #310 - Jan 21st, 2020 at 3:24am
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 20th, 2020 at 8:49am:
Slinging might be pretty difficult depending on the armor. I was hoping someone here might know more about that.


While I don't have any personal experience, I'd say that slinging with armour on is plausible so long as it doesn't impede your hip or arm movements.

I've seen a Manuscript marginalia from the Medieval period  which depicts a Knight in a hauberk and a heater shield using a sling.
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Reply #311 - Jan 21st, 2020 at 4:44am
 
Well that's the thing, what do we mean by armour (or armor...)? Chainmail? Easy to sling in I would say. Full plate? Maybe not impossible but I think fig 8 might be a struggle. Even then, plate armour has varied a hell of a lot.
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Reply #312 - Jan 21st, 2020 at 5:00pm
 
In the book of Judges, the Philistines had cornered the regional market on blacksmithing, so the armor was probably patterned in the same style as Goliath’s.
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Reply #313 - Jan 21st, 2020 at 7:43pm
 
According to the story. the armor was bronze scale mail. It doesn't mention if the armor was just chest or if it covered the arms. There were also bronze open faced helmets, and bronze greaves.. David did not wear any armor. He tried on King Saul's armor and it was too big for him.
  David was lighter and more maneuverable. Goliath never stood a chance.
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Reply #314 - Jan 22nd, 2020 at 12:18am
 
slingbadger wrote on Jan 21st, 2020 at 7:43pm:
According to the story. the armor was bronze scale mail. It doesn't mention if the armor was just chest or if it covered the arms. There were also bronze open faced helmets, and bronze greaves.. David did not wear any armor. He tried on King Saul's armor and it was too big for him.
  David was lighter and more maneuverable. Goliath never stood a chance.


Shortly after that, Jonathan gifted his personal armor and bow to David. That’s what I am referring to. Not the armor he refuses before fighting Goliath.
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