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Reply #285 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 10:14pm
 
C'mon why wouldnt he just aim for his head? If hes good enough to shoot at his moving legs, then surely he'd be able to aim at his head. I dont know why people cant accept this story as it is. I believe its true. But some people just want to prove the story to be fake. And other people cant handle the fact that a sling projectile will inevitably penetrate into someones head (in the hands of a decent slinger), those people should just drop that thought now and acknowledge that fact. There is SO much proof out there.

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Reply #286 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 12:05am
 
Holy mackerel! A quote from mrboss that I fully agree with!

However the argument is that helmets like Goliath would have worn covered the entire forehad so it would not have been exposed. Also there is some similarity between the words for forehad and the greaves that protected the lower leg except for the knee. Supposedly if hit in the forehead Goliath should have fallen backwards. It's a possible explanation but doesn't sound all that likely.
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Reply #287 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 4:58am
 
To be honest, I don't think the argument works at all (greaves are there precisely to protect shin and knee, and they fit onto the kneecap. But someone earlier raised the point, so I thought I'd give the reference.
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Reply #288 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 3:25pm
 
A little hint, as must of us use the Bible for our scientific D&G study, I have found that the details is somewhat different in each translation.  I got 4 Norwegian Bibles available, the oldest from 1860, and will say that if you read ONE bible and declare you got the one and only truth, you may be a little mistaken.

A little tidbit, I understand that David`s father, Isai, had got the name Jesse in the English translations.  The English translators probably thought the names should be more familiar than some others. 
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Reply #289 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 4:54pm
 
I used the New Jerusalem Bible translation from 1985.

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Noch weiz ich an im mere daz mir ist bekant
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von also vester hvte  daz in nie wafen sit versneit.
 
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Reply #290 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 6:53pm
 

I'm guessing Shimshon is our expert here, not needing it translated or anything Wink
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Reply #291 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 4:27am
 
Fundibularius wrote on Nov 5th, 2009 at 4:54pm:
I used the New Jerusalem Bible translation from 1985.



Oops, sorry: http://www.catholic.org/bible/
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Reply #292 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:22am
 
I did a little check of my bibles.  They are from 1840, 1922, and two different translations from 1985.
It is interesting to follow the small differences in the details.

This is not odd, because;

There is always translation discussions around here, as: should the new one be a smell like burning sulfur-kind of book, or should it be a; feel-good, where all the #shall not# stuff and hell are gone, and everyone is included, no questions asked-kind of book.

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Reply #293 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 10:59pm
 
Guys,

I just rechecked the Biblical account and the details of the helmet are not given. I would like to ask the historians amongst us, the pictures that show Philistine and other warriors with helmets that cover the forehead and bridge of the nose, when are they dated from? Could it be that helmets were modified to cover the forehead specifically as a result of the DvG encounter once word got around about how accurate these Israelite slingers were?
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Reply #294 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:14pm
 
Not sure what the article referred to. Two possible sources: the representations of "Sea People" in Egyptian reliefs, the Assyrian helmets in Neo-Assyrian art. To be honest, none of the helmets on these actually protect the forehead, let alone the bridge of the nose.
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Reply #295 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:18pm
 
Here are the references from Deem's article. Yep, the Egyptian reliefs there. OK, here's an image of the feather topped "Sea People" helmet:

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/199503/who.were.the.sea.people..htm

Does it cover the forehead ?
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Reply #296 - Jan 28th, 2018 at 4:34pm
 
uh yeah yall  ....it is true and even more so tells us a secret for warfare.  but you have to read the apocrypha to catch it.   it has something to do with the parched corn david had and how he prepared it with the stones he took from the river and goliath's helmet...you can search it out, it is not hard to find.
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