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Dale

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Need help with knots
Jun 13^th, 2006 at 7:41pm

In the last few months, I have been playing with thin cords. I have found that they work well, as long as I use 1/8-inch nylon utility line ("paracord") for the release knot and finger loop, and a sheet bend has worked well for attaching the thin (1.5mm) nylon cord to the thicker (3mm) utility cord. The thin cord is hard on the fingers (said Nine-Fingered Dale, as his sling and finger sailed off into the distance... Roll Eyes

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But today at lunch, I found some Spectra fishing line. It is wonderful. It is 0.5mm thick. It is rated at 100 pounds (45 kilograms) ...

... It is SLICK! I tied a length of it to a paracord finger loop. It slipped off when I pulled on it. I tied it again with a double sheet bend. It slipped off. I sat there pulling on the cord and the fingerloop and watched the Spectra line slip around and around and off.

So I am asking the knot experts. What knots work well for tying this very nice but very slippery stuff to thicker cord? I'm going to try a stopper knot at the end of the Spectra, but that somehow seems in-elegant.

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Re: Need help with knots
Reply #1 - Jun 13^th, 2006 at 8:02pm

you could make a loop in the end of the spectra to tie the finger loop into by going to walmart or wherever and buying some crimping beads.

these are little tubes of metal that you make a loop through in the end of the cord (it ususally shows you on the package or you can google it) and then squish it flat (the bead) with a pair of pliers so that the loop stays put.

now you can tie a loop of paracord onto the loop of spectra cord using any number of knots, and it should work fine.

an alternative to buying crimping beads is taking bits of wire about as thick as paper clips(paper clips could be uesd too) and make it into a little spring around the tips of your very pointy nose pliers a few mm long. then use this like a crimping bead.

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Steven Interfector Viris Spurii Offline RaptorIsAsRaptorDoes Posts: 2101 Austin, Tx. Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #2 - Jun 13^th, 2006 at 8:09pm sleve the spectra... ie spectra inside a kernmantel of a braided fishing line....then tie the knot in the sleve/spectra combo.....see a Kite shop; they use spectra and have special kits for working it .... ie tools to help sleve....
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Re: Need help with knots
Reply #3 - Jun 13^th, 2006 at 8:12pm

Braided spectra will hold a splice, if it is a permanent job. The other obvious alternatives are the angler-type knots used for joining line to leader etc. Most of the ones that will work in your application are the sort with many wraps.

http://www.anglerscenter.com/Fishing%20Knots.htm

Stephen's sleeving suggestion is possibly the cleanest way to deal with this. Since you are already working in paracord, you might just use that (the paracord, for sleeving).

Matthias

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Yahweh Bless you in Yeshua Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Matthew 11:25-30 Posts: 1700 Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #4 - Jun 13^th, 2006 at 9:21pm Don't listen to him Dale! He's just trying to bamboozle you with intellectual mumbo jumbo ..... Think Laguardian ....... Laguardian ....... Laguardian .... TS P.S. (Me attempting to be funny, Matthias is obviously a master knot man.)
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Re: Need help with knots
Reply #5 - Jun 14^th, 2006 at 3:55am

I never did tie a stopper knot in the line. I tried another way to keep the sheet bend from slipping: I looped the bitter end of the fishing line around the standing part, where it comes out after passing through the loop in the paracord. That held well under tension, and has not yet loosened when NOT under tension. But the thin line is quite hard to work with. Sleeving the line is a good idea; it will make it easier to work with. The crimping beads look useful, also; I'll see if I can find some at a craft store.

Thank you, all, for your ideas!

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Reply #6 - Jun 16^th, 2006 at 3:37pm

Just for fun, here are the three sizes of cord I have been playing with recently. This photo is larger than life-size. The ruler shows both American and metric measures.

The green stuff is 1/8-inch (3mm) nylon utility cord.
The yellow stuff is braided nylon mason's line, about 1.5 mm.
The skinny stuff is 100-pound Spectra fishing line (0.5mm).

I have made a sling using the Spectra, with a finger loop and release knot made from utility cord and a leather pocket. I have tried it a few times, but it is definitely a specialty sling, not for everyday use; it tangles like you would not believe! Well, Matthias and TechStuf and Jurek would believe it, they've played with this stuff.

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Re: Need help with knots
Reply #7 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 12:00am

Dale, don't let it dangle, and it need not tangle....

Have you experimented with small catch loops in the retention cord? The employment of these loops in order to prevent the release cord from travelling far enough down the retention cord to cause a tangle should prove beneficial. Trial and error will find the sweet spot.....but I bet you can deduce quite nearly, the proper location at the outset!

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lobohunter Interfector Viris Spurii Offline where be a rock and a string there be a sling Posts: 1945 Cottage Grove or Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #8 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 3:01am as a long time user of spectra fishing lines for fishing since about 94 nothing secures the knot better than a dab of super glue.
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Yahweh Bless you in Yeshua Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Matthew 11:25-30 Posts: 1700 Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #9 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 4:46am Hey LH.....been a little while..... Know what you mean....superglue's great for knots. TS
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lobohunter Interfector Viris Spurii Offline where be a rock and a string there be a sling Posts: 1945 Cottage Grove or Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #10 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 9:32am yeah Tech been in the hospital for three weeks but all better now lol
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Yahweh Bless you in Yeshua Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Matthew 11:25-30 Posts: 1700 Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #11 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 2:54pm Let me guess......a complicated hernia operation necessitated by slinging boulders from your house to Little Rock? (lol) TS
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lobohunter Interfector Viris Spurii Offline where be a rock and a string there be a sling Posts: 1945 Cottage Grove or Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #12 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 4:22pm Actuly a accident evolving a barbque grill that ended up with 35% 2nd degree burns to my right side. But all is good. I am left handed. Slinging was not affected lol
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Yahweh Bless you in Yeshua Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Matthew 11:25-30 Posts: 1700 Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #13 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 4:59pm Sorry to hear about that. Here's to a speedy recovery! TS
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Willeke Interfector Viris Spurii Past Moderator Offline Give me some string and I know what to do. Posts: 2072 Netherlands Gender:	Re: Need help with knots Reply #14 - Jun 18^th, 2006 at 1:55pm Lobo, I hope you will have no or little lasting harm from the burns, and that you are in not to much pain now. Willeke
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