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Apr 19th, 2004 at 4:18pm
 
Its a commonplace to say that the Romans had a surgical tool for removing slingshot from people, but what's the name of this? What is the ultimate source of this data?  ???

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Reply #1 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 7:50pm
 
From the Korfmann article:
"Celsus, perhaps the most judicious medical author of Greek and Roman times, included in his treatise De Medicina instructions for extracting lead and stone sling missiles from the bodies of wounded soldiers."

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Reply #2 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 7:57pm
 
Off the topic Johnny--Are you Johnny Shunamite, the one who did the pictures of the slingers??
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Reply #3 - Apr 19th, 2004 at 9:02pm
 
Shunamite! Lol!!!
I did the ones on the gallery page. I've done alot more, and would like to write and illustrate a book one day on slinging. Mainly about the ancient Greek, Balearic and Roman slingers.
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Reply #4 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 2:49pm
 
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From the Korfmann article:
"Celsus, perhaps the most judicious medical author of Greek and Roman times, included in his treatise De Medicina instructions for extracting lead and stone sling missiles from the bodies of wounded soldiers."

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So no surgical tool, just a technique... so far...
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Reply #5 - Apr 20th, 2004 at 7:32pm
 
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I've seen many different types of surgical tools the Romans used. I don't remember one specifically called "glande remover". I saw one that looked like a modern digital dialator (for looking up the anus and the vagina!). Maybe they would use it to spread open the wound(ouch!) and retrieve the glande. Can you say pain! I'll try and look for the book where I saw this.
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Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2004 at 11:48am
 
The text of Celsus refers not only the technique but also a tool that he call there "forceps" but that of course is not the obstetrics tool  Grin  

Look at this painting on a wall of Pompeian ruins. A surgeon is extracting a glans may be with that tool. Iīd like to have a look at that picture you mention, Johnny, if you recover it.

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Reply #7 - Apr 21st, 2004 at 12:58pm
 
I was wondering if maybe it wasn't just a set of forceps.  Modern medicine, at least for English-speaking countries, takes a great deal of it's terminology from Latin.

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Reply #8 - Apr 21st, 2004 at 11:17pm
 
How do we know he's pulling out a gland and not an arrow?

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Reply #9 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 2:04am
 
I think that if the artist wanted to depict an arrow would have drawn a bit of the shaft coming out of the leg  Grin
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Reply #10 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 8:31am
 
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Here are the "tools"
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Reply #11 - Apr 22nd, 2004 at 10:22am
 
The latin word "forceps" means pliers and tweezers, so they could be some of those tools in the book, mainly the pliers though in the painting it looks a little different of those of the book that are specific for teeth. Itīs amazing the quality and development of Roman medical tools!
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Reply #12 - Apr 23rd, 2004 at 11:01am
 
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The text of Celsus refers not only the technique but also a tool that he call there "forceps" but that of course is not the obstetrics tool  Grin  

Look at this painting on a wall of Pompeian ruins. A surgeon is extracting a glans may be with that tool. Iīd like to have a look at that picture you mention, Johnny, if you recover it.

Due to the origin and dual nature of the Latine word "glande", the picture has a very strange aspect...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Apr 23rd, 2004 at 11:04am
 
Thanks for the great info! The sling-stone removing tool is much more than a myth now! Smiley
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Reply #14 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 11:31pm
 

I dimly recall reading something in _The Red Branch_ (a sort of collection of the adventures of the ancient Irish -- who were expert slingers, BTW -- take Cuchulain for instance), about *suction by mouth* being used to extract penetrating sling projectiles. I can't cite you chapter and verse about this, however. It's been a while. But once more we have strong anecdotal evidence of *penetrating* wounds, not mere blunt trauma, however severe.

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