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Re: Point-first flight
Reply #30 - Jun 7^th, 2006 at 4:47pm

The glans sits in the pocket with the long axis parallel with the fold, pointy ends sticking out. The natural way for it to sit, really.

When you throw, using any style, the idea is that you use your hand and wide grip to manoever the glans into the correct launch position. Releasing the thumb lets the projectile roll out of the pouch, which is where the spin comes from.

It is easier to get the right (and repeatable) orientation using throwing styles that don't twist around too much. The underhand/sidearm variants work well, as do the overhand/apache. Figure eights should be good, but depending on your windup, you may need to twist your wrist a little bit. Helicopter is tougher, since you have to roll you wrist to keep it spinning, and that sets the galns/pocket to wobbling...

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Re: Point-first flight
Reply #31 - Jun 7^th, 2006 at 7:11pm

For those of us who rely on the narrow grip, I believe I am being objective in advancing the following pre-production model as perhaps the most advanced and reliable distance rig currently available on the planet. Even wide grip distance fans can benefit from a satisfying release every time.

The user will experience ballistic spiral releases at every launch no matter the style.....never any ammo hang ups....and virtually no sling cord wear. The rig shown has had 2,024 river rocks leave it's pocket thus far and shows nominal wear. I believe the fibrous components of this design should realize a 10,000 round service life before needing replacement, provided only smooth river rock commensurate to pocket size is used. (Nearly the only kind of natural ammo worthy of serious slingers.)

This system induces just enough spin to maintain stability for the duration of flight.....thereby translating more energy to increased velocity at the moment of release.

The steering vane is attatched via a carbon fiber shaft and held in place via pocket support cord and reactive centrifugal force. It is easily removed as desired.

The production model is more streamlined for even greater mind blowing performance.....truly....I am stoked! The official results, I trust, will be impressive. I am currently waiting to hear back from Guiness regarding acceptance of my application. If they should prove uninterested, I still plan to release my results on video.

Hope you like it.

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Matthias Past Moderator Offline Posts: 1418 Gatineau/Ottawa QC, Canada Gender:	Re: Point-first flight Reply #32 - Jun 7^th, 2006 at 8:24pm Quote: smooth river rock commensurate to pocket size is used. (Nearly the only kind of natural ammo worthy of serious slingers.) Hey! Just because you're stuck in Nebraska doesn't mean that nice smooth beach granite won't outsling river pebbles any day! The ocean sorts then nicely by size for me too. 8)
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Steven Interfector Viris Spurii Offline RaptorIsAsRaptorDoes Posts: 2101 Austin, Tx. Gender:	Re: Point-first flight Reply #34 - Jun 8^th, 2006 at 8:44am TS that is a nice release mechanism 8). I was considering an archers caliper style release clipped to my retention cord. I may need to reconsider the archers caliper.
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Re: Point-first flight
Reply #35 - Jun 8^th, 2006 at 3:15pm

A bow release of the proper design can be useful. Back in the 80's I approached a bow release manufacturer to produce one of my designs. Negotiations broke off due to 'Product Liability' concerns on the part of the manufacturer. The product I invented at the time, made use of the same principles as a bow release. I have found the Wynn Free Flight relax trigger and the Tru Fire X-Caliper Pro relax trigger releases to be most adaptable to our sport as manufactured.

I sometimes employ the TruFire release for heavy slinging. Ammo such as heavy water balloons,
stones and such.

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SlingWolf Senior Member Offline Guns dont kill people... Magic missles do! Posts: 362 Kenmore, NY Gender:	Re: Point-first flight Reply #37 - Jun 10^th, 2006 at 11:07pm Thats pretty nice! How reliable is it? for release times compared to slinging without fancy devices? does it require earlier/later release than the normal sling?
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David Junior Member Offline Per Humilis Funda Sic Validus Gigas Eram Interimo Posts: 83 Upstate NY Gender:	Re: Point-first flight Reply #38 - Jun 10^th, 2006 at 11:26pm TechStuf that is truely a very appropriate name for you!!!! I love the designs.
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SlingWolf Senior Member Offline Guns dont kill people... Magic missles do! Posts: 362 Kenmore, NY Gender:	Re: Point-first flight Reply #39 - Jun 10^th, 2006 at 11:30pm I love how the sling, probably one of mans most primitive ranged devices, can be advanced so much with all this technology! Its just that there is so much on it thats done by hand that can be taken and re-made into a more modern style without really taking away too much from the experience that is SLINGING!
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Re: Point-first flight
Reply #40 - Jun 10^th, 2006 at 11:47pm

Slingwolf, in answer to your questions....

Firstly, I don't know how fancy this rig is.....I mean, compared to some of my creations, it might be considered quite utilitarian in form and function.

Regarding reliability....I hope my statements earlier in the thread are meaningful enough.

As regards the timing of release, the difference is notable. The release is much improved....it is cleaner and much more consistent than traditional slings. Therefore those who might experience this design will instantly, and to varying degree, notice the change in timing required. I found myself learning to release a bit later with this system. Of course, all being relative.....certainly those who are involved in 'extreme distance' exercises will experience the greatest gains.

The production model has some notable improvements over the one shown. Improvements which, in my admittedly subjective opinion.....will add even more to the enjoyment of the 'slinging experience'.

Throwing great spirals with every cast.....enhancing velocity, and not having to replace sling cords has renewed my vigor for our sport considerably.

After I get the go ahead from Guiness.....wait til you get a load of my personal custom distance rig, if you think this one is 'fancy'......

This potential 'world record wonder' is sooooo not fair!

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Re: Point-first flight
Reply #41 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 9:52am

well tech its a nice looking rig
Its nice to know that nebraskan is going after the record
I hear your thoughts about cord wear. I don't seem to have those problems . But then I am a wide grip fanatic.
see if you can do me a favor head down to the "mighty Mo do around the Bellvue area in the old bell of brown veiw park and see if you can hit the far bank a couple of years ago i could only make it 3/4 of the way.
no looking for the narrowest point either lol
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Re: Point-first flight
Reply #42 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 2:02pm

I am currently slinging further than can usually be visually confirmed by naked eye and would likely have to rely on sound from a tree impact. As it is now....I am occasionally slinging over the Elkhorn river from my back yard with natural ammo. A distance of 1,440ft.

I have also been working with special glandes which exploit basic principles in order to decrease the drag co-efficient considerably. It makes use of high RPMs in order to create a slight constant vacuum at the nose of the glans, while separating the skin of the glans from the immediate atmosphere via a thin envelope of compressed air. The added volume serving to increase adhesion of laminar flow at the rear of the projectile, while at the same time increasing lateral inward pressure at the tail of the ammo.....in effect....nominally serving to 'squirt' the ammo forward. Rudimentarily....it is kind of like a person pinching the back of a slippery grape.

The idea was inspired by the work of Viktor Schauberger, the Austrian naturalist.

Quite similar in principle, though appreciably simpler, to this concept:

Viktor Schauberger's Biological Submarine

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Re: Point-first flight
Reply #43 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 2:23pm

TechStuf, I wish you success with your world record. Over 432m is very impressive. Your design is also interesting, but ...

I will stay with the simple stuff. A point why I am so fascinated by the sling is it's simplicity. One rope and three knots and you're there.

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who is now tablet weaving a sling and is progressing faster thanks to Willeke

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Yahweh Bless you in Yeshua Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Matthew 11:25-30 Posts: 1700 Gender:	Re: Point-first flight Reply #44 - Jun 17^th, 2006 at 2:38pm I appreciate your point of view. It's one that you and I happen to share, relatively speaking. Good luck with your tablet weaving project! Woven slings are simply beautiful....even though, like my own slings, they are not so simple to make. TS
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