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Reply #15 - Mar 14th, 2006 at 6:11pm
 
for someone who got all this in highschool i should understand what the hell you fellas are going on about Undecided all i get is Yurek broke that branch wich i think means it can break bone...not to mention Yurek is one hell of a good shot Shocked
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Reply #16 - Mar 14th, 2006 at 6:29pm
 
Maybe this thread ought to be Titled "Why MammotHunter Failed Physics but Enjoyed Every Moment of It."Impact ballistics always enticed me, but as you can see, I was never any good at it. so, I've learned something here. I still can't tell you what kind of force the rock imparted to the branch, but what I can tell you is, nobody ought to be standing roughly 1500 metres around Jurek in any direction when he's having a bad day. Wink
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Reply #17 - Mar 14th, 2006 at 9:10pm
 
In terms of causing damage, flat rocks are really enjoyable things to sling. I've slung them before using the Greek style, and they cause some pretty insane damage. They don't bluntly smash anything like Yurek's rock did (insanely powerful hit, BTW) but they can cut off branches thicker than anything I can break with a regular stone, and they even manage to cause gashes into the trunks of trees. I once saw a gash from a flat stone on this one tree (think it was oak) that looked as if it was done by slashing the tree with a machete. Plus, flat stones make an awesome wizzing sound when you release them.  Grin
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Reply #18 - Mar 14th, 2006 at 9:39pm
 
I love that sound!Smiley
Even though it means your losing power.

Making ballistics gelly is a little more involved than I thought, but if anyone is willing to try he's a link on how.
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/XD3.html

Speaking of impact,
I was slinging yesturday at my range with a friend of mine whom I believe is starting to really enjoy slinging. We started  slinging rocks at the targets, but had to stop because the ammo was disappearing. The rocks were drilling themsleves several inches into the targets. These targets were highly compressed rice straw (3 bales compressed into one smaller one), and were wrapped in a heavy plastic, with of course cardboard as targets.
I was amazed, these targets are fairly new. I helped put them in myself. My friend and I sling a few more stones to make sure we didn't just hit a soft spot.

Larger stones, 3/4 of a tennis ball, could not penatrate,
but roughly golf ball sized stones could,
and small pebbles hardly damaged the cardboard.

This expirence has given me more appreciation for a slings power. After slinging for awhile you forget how fast the stones are going.

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Reply #19 - Mar 14th, 2006 at 9:49pm
 
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as a side note: one newton is 9.8 meters per second squared.  this is the same as 32 ft per second squared.  at leat here on earth.  obviously this is varied slightly due to differences in altitude, so this is really just an average of sea level, but it works for a general rule.


No. One Newton is equal to one kilogram meter per second squared. Acceleration due to Earth's gravity is equal to 9.80 meters per second squared. So by multiplying 9.80 m/s^2 by the mass of an object in kilograms you can find the force gravity exherts on that object. However, I think we were more interested in the force the object exherted on the target it hit. For this we'd have to solve a collision problem. Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - Mar 15th, 2006 at 9:05am
 
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what I can tell you is, nobody ought to be standing roughly 1500 metres around Jurek in any direction when he's having a bad day. Wink


i can see it happen now people running in fear when Yurek leaves the house in a temper clutching his sling and a sack of stones Lol Grin
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Reply #21 - Mar 15th, 2006 at 1:25pm
 
maybe mythbusters could do a epersode regarding david and golith instead of trying to use a sling themselves they could fly jurek to america or get an apache to demonstrate

anyone thought of contacting them
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Reply #22 - Mar 15th, 2006 at 11:11pm
 
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instead of trying to use a sling themselves they could fly jurek to america or get an apache to demonstrate


It doesn't seem like something they'd do. They like to do everything themselves.
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Reply #23 - Mar 16th, 2006 at 6:14am
 
Yurek,

Great Hit and recovery of the rock "whodunnit."

Close scrutiny of impacts has been one of my favorite parts of slinging.  That branch really shows both the force and "lumpiness" of the rock.  A femur would have snapped like a toothpick.

Slinging into the forest is particularly fun when you get a solid hit with a resounding "Crack."  With addition of Figure 8 technique I got two consecutive hits within 5 cm of a knot at 15m range.  I can now pick which tree is the target at 100m range and helped a tree across the river shed it's leaves last autumn with a few central hits that shook up the whole project.

Your trophy branch looks about right for a staff sling...

By the stone harvested
More stones to hurl.

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Reply #24 - Mar 16th, 2006 at 3:42pm
 
I'm sure, for some of you  it wouldn't be a big problem to crack that branch or even a thicker one. Besides, there is a significant influence of the mass of stone. For instance, if we are slinging two stones, seratim, a bigger and smaller one, providing to them an identical kinetic energy (in this case the smaller one must be faster: v = quadratic_root(M/m) * V), the bigger stone (M) is able to break thicker and stronger branches. So, looks like the momentum (m * v) is more sinficant factor if you want to break, overturn or crush a target (a penetration is an other quetion).

Saying simply, if a slinger sling a one pound stone with his full strenght (rather slowly due to the big mass), most probably the stone will make a bigger disaster among brunches, than a 2 oz stone slung extremally fast.



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Thank you AjlouniBoy! I also like to watch results of impacts Smiley
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Reply #25 - Mar 19th, 2006 at 9:18pm
 
I've found that... When you fling a small stone, no matter how fast, it continues to get stopped by branches... i grabbed a few large rocks and flung em into a bunch of branches and was able to make a path that i could basically walk into

(maybe im exadgerating... it took quite a few stones but all of them were big and devastating Tongue)

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Reply #26 - Mar 19th, 2006 at 9:31pm
 
Birth of a new form of brush clearing?
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Reply #27 - Mar 19th, 2006 at 11:00pm
 
not nearly as much fun as slash and burn. I don't have many trees in my yard so wouldn't think of using them as target practice.
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Reply #28 - Mar 20th, 2006 at 12:23pm
 
There is an old medical treatise from the Middle Ages by a doctor named Celsus.
  In it, he states that sometimes the lead glandes would be stuck into the bone so deep, it was impossible to pull it out.
   What he recommended doing is make the wound wider, and cut it out of the bone by cutting a v notch.
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Reply #29 - Mar 20th, 2006 at 3:37pm
 
That sounds a bit painful.... but... what must be done must be done...  Shocked

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