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score one for the sling
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I was at work the other day when another employee came up to me and was telling me about some project his kid was doing in school. He had to make a spear and they would test for flight design. The man told his son about the slings he sees me make during break. So they decided to cut a notch in the end of the spear and hook it on an eighteen inch folded rope. He didnt release it like a sling but used it for a spear chucker. He said he gained about thirty yards over all the other kids. I was surprised concidering the cords are flexable, that they would be able to push the spear forward. Was this perhaps a second use for the sling in the days of old?
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sounds cool. kind of like an at 'latl.
i wish that i had taken a class where we made spears.
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The romans used something similar called the amentum, but technically it's not a sling. This type of device is related to the atlatl. The one the romans used had the cord permanently attached to the shaft and they would release the cord along with the spear. However, other cultures did use a method that is more similar to what you described. In this design the cord would detach from the spear when it was launched.
I've been thinking of eventually making one and trying it. But right now the sling is more than enough to keep me busy.
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Idea:
how about an at'latl design that uses a piece of wood with a cord at the end. kind of like a staff sling. more leverage, more power, less control.
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That's awesome, beating the other kids. 30 yards is a big difference.
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According to some stuff I read, using a string as an atlatl actually predates the atlatl itself by tens of thousands of years, to the best of our recolection.
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That is surprising, I wouldn't have thought a string would be able to work on a spear the way an atlatl would. I wonder how difficult it is to control?
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kkriegg where did you find that info? The few things I've read on it only refer to more recent versions like the amentum. Was it in an article or a book?
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well i was tinkering with something like that myself but i have a nack of thinking up things and then finding out someone already made it a few centuries before i did
but still here goes
you take a string an knot one end into a loop (this goes in a notch in the spear) then you take a small wooden dowel and tie it to the other end for a handle this makes it easyer to handle
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John Warry has an excellent book out on Ancient weapons and armor, including, the amentum
A lot of the control on the amentum was covered by wrapping the cord around the shaft of the javelin. As it was released, the javelin spun, and basically flew in a straight line.
Leonardo Da Vinci had a similar design in his notebooks, but his had a wooden handle that you used to help launch.
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and the spin of the javelin would improve it's penetrating power too.
/caesar made the neck of the heavy roman javelins from softer iron, so it woud bend on the impact, because it would weight opponent's shield down, and he couldn't throw it back at you/
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the spin would stabilize it the way feathers stabilize an arrow and the leverage would increase penetration. i played with it and i can throw light javelin about 1 meter long 50 meters with aproximately 45° angle
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kkriegg where did you find that info? The few things I've read on it only refer to more recent versions like the amentum. Was it in an article or a book?
It was one of the bowmaker's bibles.
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According to some stuff I read, using a string as an atlatl actually predates the atlatl itself by tens of thousands of years, to the best of our recolection.
I havent seen anything official but the australian aboriginal version of the atlatl, the woomera, was supposed to have been invented around 40,000 to 50,000 years ago.
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Ive tried using string as an atlatl and it worked beter than any atlatl i'v made
though, i'v never goten an atlatl to work
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