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Mar 3rd, 2006 at 7:31pm
 
I found a article written by a reverend in 1901 about a surgical procedure preformed by the medicine men of the tribal people that lived in an island that he refered to as New Britain or New Pommern. I have no idea where that is. The name of the article is "Trephining in The South Seas" which gives us a clue. Trephining is the name of the procedure and it was usually preformed by cutting a hole in the skull inorder to release pressure on the brain. This operation was sometimes used to repair damage caused by a sling stone. This is a quote from the article that takes about such damage:

"In the native fights the sling is the most formidable weapon used, a smooth stone as large as a pullet's egg being thrown with moderate accuracy but considerable force. A blow from a sling-stone is generally the cause of the fracture for which the operation is found necessary; the depressed portions of the bone or haemorrhage beneath the skull causing compression, and death almost invariably results if the injury is not attended to."
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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 8:13pm
 
Since we are on the topic of sling effectiveness I wanted to take this opportunity to ask for help on finding more of this type of information. I'm taking an anthropology class and soon the teacher will be discussing the tools used by the people of the Upper Paleolithic. My text book talks about the atlatl and the bow, but it doesn't even mention the sling and my teacher probable won't either, so I want to mention the sling's importance to the rest of the class. Unfortunatly, I don't know a whole lot of specific information about it and I'm having a hard time finding much information. So if anyone can... you know... HELP ME!!! Shocked ???

I would like to know:

1. around what time period the sling was invented

2. more information on the amount of damage a sling stone     can cause.

3. its accuracy and range compared to that of the bow
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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 8:33pm
 
what you can do to find this information:

1. search these using the site's search engine

2. look through the Goliath Project forum for this info

3. good luck! Grin

i think that i speak for us all(i hope i am not going too far saying this) it is a terrific thing tha you are doing in order to bring respect to the sling that it deserves.
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2006 at 4:44am
 
New Britain is an island just to the north and east of the main island of Papua New Guinea.
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Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2006 at 6:43am
 
Nice find!

The quote "moderate accuracy but considerable force" really says it all.

Can you list the reference for us?

The wiki will be great to pull together all the slinging treasures collected at slinging.org into an easy to use reference.
Meanwhile, the oldest sling thread reviews part of your question:
http://www.slinging.org/forum2/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=1;action=display;num=10629427...

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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2006 at 10:06am
 
Thanks everbody!

I had forgotten about the Goliath Project forum. I found a lot of useful info there.

And thanks Siguy, I'm just trying to do my part in spreading the word.

I'm starting a new thread in the Goliath Project forum and I'll list the references to all the articles, including the one above, that I've found so far. And as I find more, I'll continue to post them there.
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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 6:26pm
 
*Rooting in the backround*

Great, if you ned any more help let me know and I'll see if I can help. I can't promise difinitive results, but I can help.

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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2006 at 5:09pm
 
Pikoro,

1. around what time period the sling was invented

The sling was developed as early as 10,000 B.C. (Korfmann,
1973; Ferrill, 1985; Grunfeld, 1996).  The oldest recovered sling dates back to around 1323 B.C.

(Tut's sling)
http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/perl/gi-ca-qmakesumm.pl?sid=149.169.152.78-1094669253...

2. more information on the amount of damage a sling stone can cause.

Blunt force trauma; broken bones.  Penetration of flesh was possible. 

Vegetius, a Roman writer in the late 4th century, observed in
his famous Epitoma Rei Militaris: 

Soldiers, despite their defensive armor, are often
more aggravated by the round stones from the sling
than by all the arrows of the enemy.  Stones kill
without mangling the body, and the contusion is
mortal without loss of blood.

   
Celsus, a Roman medical writer from the 1st
century B.C..  He describes in his De Medicina
that:
 
...there is a third type of [projectile] that sometimes
needs to be removed, a leaden bullet or rock or
something similar, which breaking through the skin
lodges inside in one piece. In all of these cases, the
wound needs to be opened a bit wider, and what is
inside must be extracted with pincers along the same
pathway by which it entered.


3. its accuracy and range compared to that of the bow

Accuracy in trained hands was superior or equal in my opinion. 

Livy’s History of Rome, which was
completed in 9 A.D., he states, 

A hundred slingers were recruited from Aegium
and Patrae and Dymae. These peoples were
trained from boyhood [...] Having been trained
to shoot through rings of moderate
circumference from long distances, they would
wound not merely the heads of their enemies but
any part aimed.

Can you get some range data of the ranges page here on the site:

http://slinging.org/ranges.html

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