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Reply #30 - Feb 25th, 2006 at 10:19pm
 
I don't think you quite understand what chainmail is like. It's hard to without playing with it for hours Tongue. The only way you can make chainmail "denser" while using the same size rings is to put more than 4 in each ring (i.e. 8-in-1). This makes it less flexible though. Chainmail can strech in 1 direction easily. It's hard to describe. Look at the following 2 pictures of the same piece of chaitmail:

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it isn't folded over or anything, just pulled to the right and left

                                o  o  o  o
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Reply #31 - Feb 25th, 2006 at 10:53pm
 
ha, thats actualy exactly what i meant  Smiley Roll Eyes. in the picture of the sling, it looked squished, so what i meant is if you braided your sling to the 'squished' size, than it would expand in one direction (but having no room to expand in two dimensions) it would make a pocket. see what i'm saying?

anyway. i just made some chainmail out of coat hanger. sloow process. do you get much faster as you get good?

EDIT: how long did it take to make that first square?
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Reply #32 - Feb 25th, 2006 at 11:10pm
 
It probably took me anywhere from 1.5 to 3 hours (but I always multi-task and easily get bored, so I don't usually work on just chainmail much). I don't remember...

I forgot to show the pattern I'm using Tongue. Here's a string of numbers to tell how many rings I have in each row (the linking rows [that hold the fivers together] are the numbers on the second line). To make each triangle (which I put together to make a rhombus) I used:

  2  3  4  5  6
1  2  3  4  5 

which [mirrored horizontally] would look like:

o
  o 
o  o
  o  o
o  o  o
  o  o  o
o  o  o  o
  o  o  o  o
o  o  o  o  o
  o  o  o  o  o
o  o  o  o  o 

It does go faster when you get used to it (especially for the first few pieces you make). What definately makes it go faster is mass producing. Wind up a bunch of wire. When you have a ton of coils, clip them into rings. That way you'll have a ton of rings and won't have to keep making more whenever you need to use it.


Since you only attach the rings at the very end to the string, the chainmail is free to streach. So it makes no difference whether it's squashed or streached (unless you actually braid it in). I braided in the 4 corners of the rhombus and left the rest AROUND the string, but able to slide (so it's still flexible).


EDIT: oooooooh! I see what you're saying! Yes, when I hold it up keeping tension in the string, the chainmail slacks down making a pouch. Sorry, I thought you were talking about something completely different Tongue
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Reply #33 - Feb 25th, 2006 at 11:38pm
 
Here are my most recent pictures. I finished the pouch and am finishing braiding the release string. You can see basically what it will be like.

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This is probably not that good a picture... It shows you the size of the sling, but not so much the pouch. However, you can see that the pouch is flat when layed on a flat surface.



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Here you can see that the pouch is still flat when folded over itself. You can also see how 4 rings on each side of the rhombus [shaped pouch] loop around the string instead of going into the braid. There are 8 that are braided in total, 2 on each corner.


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This final image shows what (I'm pretty sure) CanDo was talking about. When the sling is supsended, the pouch actually does curve into a nice little pocket.


EDIT: I think it would be hard to make chainmail out of coathanger. I remember I tried paperclips first and that was a huge tangled mess. I'd recommend looking around for some real wire that's already long and straight. I also recommend (if you can) making a small contraption like mine in order to make the link-making 20 times easier.
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Reply #34 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 12:04am
 
Looks pretty sweet. yes, that pouch thing is exactly what i meant; i really need to learn how to articulate my ideas better. it looks pretty heavy, but being aluminum it's probably a third lighter than what most of us are thinking of.

chainmail out of coathanger wire is painful, i can assure you. one coat hanger, following a 4 in 1 pattern makes an even 2in.x2in. square with three rings to spare, using 5/8 ID links. 3 links left over. So it isnt anywhere near efficient. Coathanger is also a lot stronger than you might think. Anyway, i was just doing it to get the general idea, if i find some wire and a lot of time i'll make some  Grin

Nice work Altay  Smiley
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Reply #35 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 3:29am
 
That looks real good!

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Reply #36 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 3:59am
 
That's a very cool sling. If you miss you can always smack somebody upside the head with the sling itself. Grin
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Reply #37 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 8:09am
 
even if an axe dosen't cut trough your chain, it will easily brake your bones, especcially hands/ribs. (a battle axe, or a great/longaxe, not a hatchet)

i know a lot of people who chain, mostly they use 4 in 1, sometimes 6 in 1, and for show-off 8 in 2 (just double the 4 in 1).

they use steel links coated in zinc (Zn) to make it shiny (  Grin ) and stainless, but no matter how you coat your rings, sweat will rust them, because of high concentration of salts in it.
so, you have to wipe sweat asap and oil your chain from time to time.

knights used to have their pages put a chain in a barrel partially filled with sand, and roll the barrel downhill, then roll the barrells up the hill, then down the hill (sizif, anyone?  Tongue )
it definitiveley removed the rust.
/and for the plate armours, well, they polished them with their own piss. and it acctually kept them clean/


and if you use steel rings there is no way you can open/close rings with your fingers, you need a pliars in each hand.

anycow, back on topic - Altay, keep us posted on the preformance of that new sling/flail of yours  Tongue
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Reply #38 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 9:59am
 
A lot of the property of chainmail depends on the type. What you have there is 4-1 mail. For every one ring, there are four attatched. I've seen mail makers go as far as 10-1 in the SCA. Obviously, the rings are teeny. They are a little stiffer, as well, but have an overall better stopping power.
   Also, you can make mail from brass, copper and even, God forbid, aluminum!. They aren't as strong as steel, but when properly planned, can make some interesting decoration. I've seen an Egyptian Ankh worked into one shirt.
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Reply #39 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 2:15pm
 
Well, I finished it (I still need to let the superglue dry...) and here is a picture of it compared to my first sling. I made this one as long as possible without letting it hit the ground when I swing it with my arm bent at a 90 degree angle.

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Reply #40 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 3:07pm
 
Here are some pictures showing how it cups a tennis ball. Perhaps a bigger ball would fit better (the tennis ball sinks in a bit too much). I may try it with a softball. I'm just worries I'll end up whacking myself while I'm doing the figure-8. I'd go out and test it... but it's FREEZING (for a guy who grew up in a town that never snowed and was about 40 C during the summer) and it's snowing and windy outside... I'll probably test it at school on tuesday. Anyway, here are the pictures:

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Reply #41 - Feb 26th, 2006 at 3:58pm
 
I just tested it (yes, indoors) with a pingpong ball. The pingpong ball remained in the pouch after the release. I tried 2 more times and then I realized that the pouch can hold onto the pingpong ball so well (because of its size) that it will never release. I know that a tennis ball will release (I don't know how well), so if you make one as big as mine, don't try to sling a rock as small as a pingpong ball. Use one about the size of a tennis ball (now that will certainly be lethal Shocked). Imagine the weight of a lead glande (sp?) that size...

#EDIT: Tennis balls release just fine... (no, I didn't break anything)
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Reply #42 - Mar 2nd, 2006 at 11:32pm
 
I had a simular problem with my tarp slings, smaller rockes tended to stay in the sling. I belive it had to do with the dynamic pouch that these designes have.

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Reply #43 - Mar 2nd, 2006 at 11:51pm
 
Whoops. Forgot to update this Tongue. Yesterday I stayed after school for Robotics Club and while I was waiting for my ride I decided to try slinging, but I had forgotten to bring my tennis ball. I asked a friend to make one and I started slinging a small rock. It wasn't very dense and didn't go very far. When the snowball was made it was so pressurized that it felt like an ice-ball. The snowball was about twice the size I expected, so I got out my chainmail sling. I used a figure-8 wind up and it sailed way up in the air (oops, early realease) and went about twice as far as the rock (the rock was almost like pumice, but it was the only type of rock there). The snowball, amazingly enough, barely broke on impact, so I jogged over and slung it back. The snowball lasted for at least 10 more slings. I tried making my own snowball and pushed it together with my weight to get it as dense as I could, but it smashed to bits as soon as it hit Sad. I'm trying to make denser ones. I have 2 in my freezer now Roll Eyes. How did you guys cover the frozen snowballs in water without making the snow melt or the wet snowball freeze to the floor?

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Reply #44 - Mar 22nd, 2006 at 11:46am
 
That Sling is a Very nice thing Shocked iReally have to get working on the chainmail hobby  Grin
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