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Reply #15 - Oct 13th, 2004 at 6:04pm
 
repeating crossbow?  Is there such a thing?
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Reply #16 - Oct 13th, 2004 at 10:00pm
 
In the James bond nightfire game there is but i don't know about in real life.
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Reply #17 - Oct 13th, 2004 at 11:18pm
 
Also in the movie "Van Helsing" there was a repeating-machine-gun-like crossbow, but the device didn't really make sense.  In another movie "Lady Hawk" there was a crossbow that can fire two shots.  I think that's just about as good as it gets.
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Reply #18 - Oct 14th, 2004 at 9:31am
 
The cross bow in the james bond game is used like a pump action shotgun. The bow has a magazine and the crossbow is reset with a pumping action. I really doubt that this would work in real life unless it was a very lite poundage crossbow. Most modern hunting crossbow are usally 120 pound pull and up.
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Reply #19 - Oct 14th, 2004 at 10:20am
 
There really is such a thing as a repeating crossbow, made primitively.  It was invented by the Chinese, used during the Sino-Japanese War and then the Boxer rebellion - nineteenth and twentieth centuries - but it was almost certainly used much eariler than that.  It is quite simple and relatively low power, but it can shoot about 10 shots in 10 seconds, apparently.  It is made almost entirely of wood and a bit of bamboo, for the prod.  Do a google image search for "chinese repeating crossbow" or something similar.
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Reply #20 - Oct 14th, 2004 at 10:44am
 
No need to do a search, I can explain it. Basically, the crossbow is a top-loading weapon, like a hunting rifle, but inverted. So, where you would have a clip on the bottom of the rifle, you have a clip on top of the crossbow. And instead of bullets, you have bolts. (big, nasty ones from what I understand) A Lever cocking mechanism (looks like a big aircraft throttle handle coming off the top of the crossbow) pulls back the bowstring and a bolt is gravity fed into the firing channel and slips back against the firing panel. Pull the trigger, the bolt goes flying, and in a couple of seconds, the lever is pulled back, the bolts drops in, firing pan locks, trigger is pulled and the process repeats. I've heard of rates of fire being anywhere from 2 unaimed shots/second to 10 shots aimed in 15 seconds. Simple, but horribly effective, especially when you consider that these would be massed weapons and the bolts sometimes tipped with poisons. Damaging to cavalry, as a horse is a lot bigger than a man and very hard to control when it's injured.
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Reply #21 - Oct 14th, 2004 at 11:46am
 
That's right.  The entire magazine is pushed forward, so that the string gets into a notch at the back of the magazine; the string going back, because the magazine being pulled back by the same lever that caused it to be pushed forward, means that there is nothing hindering the bolt from falling into the groove.  The crossbowman pulls the lever all the way back, and a small peg knocks the string out of the notch in the magazine.  Here are some pictures:  www.atarn.org/chinese/rept_xbow.htm.  It also describes the mechanism.  With diagrams and motions.
 Apparently the bolts were quite small, light, with almost no fletching - nothing to jam the bolts.  Anyway, go to the site (the whole www.atarn.org site is good actually) and check it out - I have attempted making one once, but it was very crude and hardly worked, the lever was odd, the magazine was too small, the string jammed, as did the bolts, the bow was really light.  In the end, I gave and threw it away.  I might try to make another crossbow sometime.
  Apparently the text on the site, and the images, are from "The Crossbow", by Ralph Payne-Gallwey, a book mentioned in other crossbow related threads.
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Reply #22 - Oct 14th, 2004 at 10:30pm
 
Cool!!!

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I live where the www.atarn.org people run their classes!!! I'll check them out sometime next week.  Thanks for sharing what I didn't know.

Going back to the topic, I am a full-time tennis coach at a country club.   

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Reply #23 - Oct 15th, 2004 at 4:49am
 
Wasn't there something like a repeating ballista used by the Romans? The reason it wasn't used much (I can imagine) is that there's not much need to ballista something twice in quick succession.
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Reply #24 - Oct 15th, 2004 at 10:15am
 
I believe there was such a thing.  I think the main reason it might not have been oft used, is that it is difficult to make it powerful:  it is run by a man cranking a lever, similar to the one on the repeating crossbow - any large drawweights are out of the question.  So the machine would have limited range.  And as you say, it was not often that shooting quickly was needed, and with artillery, it is accuracy and range you want, not speed.
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Reply #25 - Oct 15th, 2004 at 10:29pm
 
well me and my mother have picked the appel orcherd clean and its starting to get cold around here...cant mow for a while...That leaves foxs pizza den..my boss hurt her back...That sucks...Any way time to pull out the snow shouvel and the wood spliting axe.


I think my favorite artiliry pice is the trebucet. I think it was rather cool how they would put the burning heads of there enemys and fire them at the besiged fortress.

I told my history teacher that she started to gag. That might be anoter reason my girl beating away stick is still intact..
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Reply #26 - Oct 16th, 2004 at 3:49am
 
Nah.  Scalping, for instance, the description of, is a great way to chat up girls, didn't you know?
  Well, you could shoot people's heads over walls with other machines too.
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Reply #27 - Oct 16th, 2004 at 7:15am
 
yes but i have a love of the trebuchet.

maybe english girls like that here all they can think of are horses and most are a little more manly then the men. I was a little appaled when one of the better looking girls in my school bent over, spit a hacker out on the ground then farted...She is a farm girl but still..
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Reply #28 - Oct 16th, 2004 at 1:47pm
 
Jehesus, I am not going to Ohio for girls.  Actually, it sounds a little like Essex.
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Reply #29 - Oct 16th, 2004 at 6:14pm
 
my favorite pickup line/conversation starter... you know those assyrians that piled their enemy's heads up in big pyramids...
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