hehe, I'd like to take some machinist classes. I've done a little machining, but not enough to make a gun at the moment. That's why I'd have someoen who knew what they were doing watch over my shoulder

Ok for those of you who live in/around Ohio, US might have heard of this but im realting the story to the rest of you.  A close and personal friend of mine was almost killed by making a homemade bomb.  he blew off his right hand and would have died if his older brother hadn't came quickly to take him to the hospital. heres the story

One day He (we will call him Pat for short his real name is Patrick) and his friends got some Gunpowder from one of pats friends.  They used those model rocket ignitors where yoiu push the button and it sends an electrical wave through these wires about 20 feet long which have Alligator clips on the end.  Thses you connect to an "ignitor" which is basically 2 small wires that connect at the end and have a small bit of gumpowder on the end the electrical charge ignites the gunpowder in which was supposed to launch off the rocket but they used thses to ignite their bombs.  They hade these bombs for about a week.  Their parents knew but did nothing to stop them why i dont know but when they exploded they were so big that they would shake their house.  At this particular time Pats mom wasnt home and they ingited the bomb but it didnt explode so they walked up to invistigate.  Pat picked it up and as he did it blew up and blew his hand off and enbedded shrapnel into a few of his friends stomachs.  His older brother heard the explosion followed by a scream so he ran as fast as he could to find his brother without a right hand.  He rushes them all to the hospital and they survive but you get the picture.  to make a very long story short He almost didnt get the insurance to cover his hospital bills. prostatics, ect because what he did was illegal.  In the end he ended up making a video to show the schools in the country what happens when you make bombs and the like and had to do community service, i believe 100 hours or something like that.
but my point is DO NOT experiment with things you arent fimaliar with if might make you end up very hurt or in jail or dead
i offered my warnings if u dont head any of us that is your fault i dont want to be saying i told you so.
Sean

Oh, yes, and I am one of those "hillybillies" who had a bit of the "other" type of training mentioned, and CAN make something mentioned above out of the components mentioned above WITHOUT destroying barrels, myself, etc. and it's NOT just "Hollywood movie/TV" stuff to those who know otherwise.    'nuff said!

Some of us hillbilly have local militin groups that do this kinda of stuff all the time. (i am not one of them)

The militint group near me made a homemade tank, land mines, and either bought or made the weopons full auto. I am sure that they make home made pipe bombs and other imporvised muntions

The tank was a modified duce and half (big militairy truck) with steel on the outside with cement on the inside. It did have a big gun on it but i was to young last time i saw it to rember. I don't know if it could even move under it's own power, but it was bullet proof. Their guns were M16. Pretty sure that they were real not just filed down recervers. Let just say that when the police/militairy went in to take them out of the region, they were very scared of what they had. Mostly more scared of what they didn't have though.

Yeah, I had experience and training both in and out of the military which gave me the knowledge/ability to do that stuff.  My father was in the Army Security Agency, and knew a lot of stuff about firearms, weapons, safety, etc., and I was, among other things, an ordnance officer at one time, and served as an engineering intel officer doing bridge recon and demolition-type stuff, and had training in improvising booby traps, weapons, etc. from some fellas in funny green hats, as well as the hillybilly blackpowder gunnysmithy-like stuff background, and serving as a fedcop who was certified by the BATF and DEA to enforce thier laws, etc.!

Glad we agree that it's a BAD idea to try make firearms without proper training/knowledge.  I liked most of your reply, but didn't care for the hostile interrogation, and don't respond to those.  Anyone with access to the FM on improvising arms and ammo published by Uncle Sam can learn all the details, but I'm not going to offer any, and get us hillybillies  ridiculed.  This is a friendly forum, and I'd like it to stay that way.

Peace to you, friend, and please continue to stay away from those militia types and explosives, etc.    Glad you don't care for Macguyver!  I don't either.   My point was , even though I know how to do something, and have had success with certain things doesn't mean I will ever do them in the future, even though they may be done legally and safely, and gave the reasons why.  I'm glad we all agree.

After this message, I think maybe I will no longer volunteer so much information as I have in the past here, as I see that it may cause more discord than enlightenment.  I have always been careful to stay within the law, and don't want to encourage any possibly counterproductive actions or feelings.

Happy slinging!

Sorry if  my questions look hostile, magnumslinger.
there goes my apologies to you... and my respect to all army men  (my father was a war veteran (spanish civil war 1936-39) and spent his life in the spanish air forces, he  retired general, my 2nd son is in armored infantry and my 3rd one will sign at the end of summer for marine infantry)

I just wanted to know if you ever have done one of those pipe  thingies and what did you used and how did it worked, not that i want the info to make one myself, but just to point out how -DIFFICULT- (and dangerous) is to make a firearm with a pipe,some matches and a rock that -REALLY- works.
I know how a muzzle loader works... but does that means i can build one with a plumbing  pipe and some matches?,  I've tried it several times with differnt materials, loads, sizes, projectiles, firing systems etc... sort of a research and lab test... and have blown a dozen out of  a dozen or so, therefore  my experience says  it's very, very, very difficult that such a device can work in real life.   and not too smart trying to use such an artifact to fire upon an enemy in order to take his  firearm even if that's the last resort, (sure you know some more effective, silent and safe last resorts)
Also not my intention to ridiculice any org. or individuals,  just a bit of irony
English is not my mother  language and  it's difficult for me to express exactly what i mean, or understand exactly what other posts are really trying to say, so again my apologies to you.