I've tried both sling types and they both work well, the fixed pouch sling of Hondero and the simple 'loop around the point' sling of Yurek both get out to 40-45m. My slings aren't particularly long either, from my finger loop to the dart the cords are probably only 30cm long. As I said elsewhere, my dart is VERY light at 50g. Since it snapped last night I will be making another, this time with some lead in the end. More weight may give me a few more metres of range. Its not technique that needs to change, but the dart weight.

Where I get differences is in loading and reliability. Hondero's fixed pouch is tricky and takes time to settle the dart into. The point must be stuck, but be able to be released. This makes loading precarious.

Yurek's sling design produces (for me) the same performance, but reloading is very very easy. Settle the tail loop, and in one simple motion, loop the long cord around the head and carefully let the dart take up the slack - then you're ready to go.

In any kind or urgent, tense and combat-orientated situation, I'd much prefer Yurek's long-loop sling design.

Still no luck with the staff-kestros!!

Just in case no one else noticed these darts look just like lawn darts . I think the name was "Jarts" and they were outlawed in the USA back aroung 1988 . Fascinating!

I wonder if they are OK to make and use or what the exact law was cause now I want to make a set .

It would be a neat game . Slinging lawn darts at targets 50 yards ??? away. Whats the range ?

I wish the artist would have signed his work . This one will go up on my wall.

johnny is very good have a look at some of his other stuff

http://www.slinging.org/membergallery.html

close to the bottom.

I forgot the thread but it was discussed and a newspaper articlw was quoted . They don't make them anymore and I believe the year was 1988

My family had a set of these things (The Jarts not the Kestros  ) They were dangerous and Mom usually ended up putting them away after we tried playing with them for a little while.  Or until she looked out the window and saw what was going on.  I could see why they might want to outlaw them.

Johnny: You have quite a talent.  I wish I was 1/3 as talented as you when it comes to artistic stuff.  Keep up the great work.  Personally, I love looking at it.

Brian

Yes, Johnny, please do!!

Willeke

I like hagar the horrible personaly. My mom likes to say that whoever draws that comic knows me.

Anyone laid hands on that Arms & Armour article yet so we can compare notes?